Christians challenge teaching of evolution

I just think that it is sad that people believe that evolution is actually based on facts and not just theories (which by the way, Dean, is not proof that something occurred a certain way as it is still just an 'idea'). Some people need to do some further research themselves to discover this and not just trust what they are feed by who knows who (this goes both ways - evolution and intelligent design, which does actually have a theory, infidel57, with facts to back it up but you will need to look for these yourself and not just take my word for it). What's so scary about us being designed with purpose and not 'just by accident' anyway? I am also interested to find where the statement "Lying for Jesus" came about too? Seems a pointless, unnecessary and oxymoronic thing to do. Is this 'Ignorant' or perhaps just open to other probable possibilities? At the end of the day it is your choice what to believe but I would take into careful consideration Pascal's Wager before making my choice. Food for thought.

Science can only be done on the basis of the creationist assumptions of meaning and purpose, and the validity and priority of thought. Science can be done no other way.

No experiment can be done on the basis of evolutionary assumptions (the denial of meaning, purpose, and of the validity and priority of thought) because all experiments require thought and design, are done for a purpose, and expect a meaningful result at the end.

Thus all evolutionists who are scientists are in fact crypto-creationists because they all put thought into the mix. As soon as thought is involved you have creation, end of story.

Anyone who thinks that the complexity of the human eye is an argument for creationism, doesn't know much about the human eye. Those of you calling for evidence for evolution should try doing a little research into endogenous retroviruses. Kerryanne You need to brush up on your biochemistry if you think that mutations don't add 'information' to DNA. I suggest you look at mammalian globin genes.

One of the difficulties thinking people have with the standard Creationist position is that it appears to conflict with our fair observation. I offer no special talent but I have considered this subject for quite a few years and offer what I call "The Unified Theory of Creation". For any interested it can be found at http://return.2truth.com entitled "Theory of Creation"

Evolution requires these 3 things 1. Random (chance) mutations to produce useful change. In most cases random mutation = cancer 2. Inorganic material (gas or rock) to become organic (living bugs, tigers etc) 3. These changes to have produced dynamic exceedingly complex systems (like the eyeball) instantly. Or have billions of missing links - which we don't the 'missing links' records could fit on a pool table and are open to serious challenge.

Besides breaking the scientific laws of thermo dynamics they are so incredibly unlikely that they also break Borel's probability laws by a factor of a billion. Evolution demolishes itself with no reference to religion. Since Science cannot answer the problem of origin as it is a non-repeatable non examinable they would be better served by letting it be addressed as a religious/philosophical question. As a rationalist it bothers me to see non-christians be so arrogant as to dismiss something they have not even bothered to examine. Science is based on the assumption of an ordered (not random) universe. The fact is that religious answers are at least internally consistent in that an all powerful supernatural being would be able (in theory) to create the amazingly diverse universe we live. If you want to challenge the Christians do so with a little scientific credibility by challenging invalid and provable hypothesis rather than just saying "God's not scientific - so your theory sucks" Have a little humility and realise that Evolution as a theory is a seriously lame duck.

Good questions to ask might be - is there evidence of co existence of species through the millenia? What assumptions undergird our dating methods How is it that diamonds can be produced instantly in a lab or by volcanic eruption Whats the age of the earth etc Basically people keep thinking - as scary as it might be to consider that we are not the centre or peak of evolution i prefer to keep it real :-)

Evolution is not theory it is fact. The way it happens is theory. Scientists have seen evolution take place on certain creatures, but they don't fully understand how it happens (could be survival of the fittest....weaker die, fitter live and change!). Intelligent Design on the other hand is entirely theory, based on a book from the past that is cut and shut to suit the religions own agenda's! What did people from 3-4000 years ago do without the bible!!!

Evolution is not theory it is fact. The way it happens is theory. Scientists have seen evolution take place on certain creatures, but they don't fully understand how it happens (could be survival of the fittest....weaker die, fitter live and change!). Intelligent Design on the other hand is entirely theory, based on a book from the past that is cut and shut to suit the religions own agenda's! What did people from 3-4000 years ago do without the bible!!!

Evolution is not theory it is fact. The way it happens is theory. Scientists have seen evolution take place on certain creatures, but they don't fully understand how it happens (could be survival of the fittest....weaker die, fitter live and change!). Intelligent Design on the other hand is entirely theory, based on a book from the past that is cut and shut to suit the religions own agenda's! What did people from 3-4000 years ago do without the bible!!!

Evolution is not theory it is fact. The way it happens is theory. Scientists have seen evolution take place on certain creatures, but they don't fully understand how it happens (could be survival of the fittest....weaker die, fitter live and change!). Intelligent Design on the other hand is entirely theory, based on a book from the past that is cut and shut to suit the religions own agenda's! What did people from 3-4000 years ago do without the bible!!!

Evolution is not theory it is fact. The way it happens is theory. Scientists have seen evolution take place on certain creatures, but they don't fully understand how it happens (could be survival of the fittest....weaker die, fitter live and change!). Intelligent Design on the other hand is entirely theory, based on a book from the past that is cut and shut to suit the religions own agenda's! What did people from 3-4000 years ago do without the bible!!!