Hooray, a referendum on MMP

Last updated 10:35 04/03/2010

At long last National has honoured its promise to give us a referendum on MMP. It has been a long time coming.

Of course the result of the referendum can be driven by the nature of how the question is asked. But it is simple really, do you want a Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) electoral system or First Past the Post (FPP) or something else?

MMP represents ideology in balance with people. Which should be represented in a House of Representatives?

When MMP was first proposed, I voted for it. Two reasons, having been active in a small party (Social Credit) that polled 26% of the vote and got 2 seats it just seemed totally unfair. Hell life is unfair. Is it fair that small extremist parties get to force policy on the majority? And secondly 9 years of Rob Muldoon dictatorship convinced me that we can't trust pollies with unbridled power so the best way to deal with them is to completely neuter them. MMP looked like it would do that.

I was right. MMP has totally compromised the leadership of our county and ensured that extremist actions are neutered by the extremist views of the fringe, and to me it looks like Parliament is a circus. This said, it was always a circus. It is just that the jockeying occurred in caucus not in the public eye. One could argue that a public process is better. I wouldn't as we now have both processes

I was also wrong in what I wished for, like it or lump it a democratic process has to deliver a leadership model that can lead and make decisions. The world has got more dangerous and faster not less, and leadership is about the capacity to make fast decisions. Consultation doesnt always get a better result. It just gets a slower result and that is at best. I often say I would prefer people to who work for me to make a wrong decision than fail to make one. (So long as they fess up, and so long as I remember not to shoot them that is) MMP fails in this regard, mostly.

But the real issue is this, if we are having a referendum on MMP why not extend this to a total review of our constitutional framework? New Zealand is one of the very few countries in the world with no written constitution. The rights and responsibilities of government and the people are defined by convention. I.e. we have no rights unless you litigate them through the courts. And anyone who has ever had a fight with the Crown on anything knows that perpetual succession and a bottomless pit of money makes a very hard case to win.

Anyway, enough from me on this. Below is an article sent to me by blogger Campbell, a socially responsible and caring New Zealander.

Thoughts on New Zealand Constitutional Reform.

New Zealand is one of only three countries (New Zealand, Britain and Israel), without a written constitution in an era of increasing government intrusion into the private lives of its citizens, that is, historically, quite unprecedented outside times of war.

This intrusion appears to be driven by two interesting facets of the society. The citizens themselves abrogating personal responsibility in return for increasing access to subsidies and benefits paid for from central taxation and the quite apparent need for central government to appropriate increasing powers unto itself, well beyond those required to satisfy the former impulse of the citizens.

In part the latter is also a response to the perceived dangers of international terrorism as well as a feeling of unease within the general populace of the dangers of such criminal elements as organised criminal "gangs", drug trading and socially unacceptable behaviours such as paedophilia and "child-bashing".

This is evidenced with the increasing use of surveillance cameras in our streets and huge, amorphous (and often unchallengeable), data-bases held by both governmental and private entities; all these matters have eroded our civil-rights and eroded too, our citizens' concepts of democracy.

It is an issue that has been addressed before (Unbridled Power, Palmer, G., OUP, 1987), but which currently lies dormant in the minds of the public. Indeed it is actively and deliberately ignored by our parliamentary representatives, in no small part as it would restrict those unbridled powers.

Moves to alter this constitutional vacuum have been sporadic and swamped by both the institutional inaction and the overpowering indifference of the public at large. To a degree our legislators have indeed been "representatives of the people" for as there was no movement from the public, therefore they might proceed unchallenged, if indeed they considered it at all.

There have been moves from within the Parliament (the Select Committee system), to extend a more modern concept of democracy, however this has been greatly ignored by the Executive (Cabinet), as the powers of these committees are advisory and not binding. The power of that Executive is effectively untrammelled.   

We are again readying ourselves to debate the method of representation yet we are choosing to ignore this even more fundamental part of our democracy and of our freedoms. Is it time then for the citizens of this country to debate and establish a written constitution? The answer is a simple ...... yes!

There are two constitutional aspects to this, external and internal structure. Externally, the establishment of trading "blocs" is an international trend; the Free Trade Agreements with sundry countries in the Asian sphere (Hong Kong, China, Malaysia, and with India pending). These may move far beyond the sovereignty issues already posed by multi-national companies. Trading blocs (the EU being an example), require a degree of internal coordination and discipline and this may point to a trend to extra-sovereignty issues such as bedevil the running of the European Union.

To survive financially we will be forced to join such a bloc, to do so without a written basis to our laws is to risk (as Britain does), external powers dictating laws to us. We thus need to address the issue of sovereignty in the coming "New World Order" as it relates to a small nation of four to five millions, situated on the geographic fringe.

Internally we will have to address what democracy means to us - as citizens - beyond the day-to-day effects and efforts of Parliament and the bureaucracy. As a nation we have also to address the issue of sovereignty itself. It is now obvious that we have borrowed ourselves into a disastrous financial position. We have run a Current Account Deficit for fifty years or more and this is unsustainable in the approaching world changes, for it is doubtful if the Pacific/Asian economic bloc will continue to be willing to fund New Zealand's social democracy, so inexplicable to their realities.

What is abundantly evident is that we must rapidly quit the complacency of the past fifty years if we are to survive. One option may well be to action the clause in the Australian Constitution that makes provision for New Zealand to join that federation - however unpalatable that may be to both the public and, especially, to the politicians.

We would at once become a market of twenty five million, still small by the standards of our potential trading bloc, but six times the size of our present position. If we do this, we do gain a written constitution of course, but we would go into the Federation unprepared and with no bargaining chips. With a Constitution of our own (adapted to fit the Australian State models), it would become our State Constitution and we would not enter the partnership bare-arse-naked.

The principle that we have evolved from the British Westminster system is that the Parliament retains all sovereignty - there is no higher authority. In theory there are checks and balances within that system; an upper House (the House of Lords) which acts as a house of review on the Legislative chamber. In New Zealand we did away with this house of review in 1949 and have endured a monocameral system ever since. This has often led to hurried and ill-conceived legislation. Any law can be repealed by the House of Representatives by simple majority.

Until now the Parliament has respected the concept of "entrenchment" (and double entrenchment), but this too is subject to the whim of the majority party and the concept can be dispensed with by a series of simple majorities. It is only "convention" that holds this in check - a convention that is at odds with the primary concept of that very Sovereignty of the Parliament.

An example of this power was the retrospective legislation passed by the National Government led by the late Right Honourable Robert Muldoon. What was legal on the Monday was illegal and, technically, imprisonable on the Tuesday! It caused a furore at the time but the Sovereignty of the Parliament prevailed. Subsequent governments of all stripes have used this precedent with glee.

The reality - our democratic reality - is that our regime is unaccountable and controlled by a tiny minority of the elected House - the Executive Cabinet - and the power of the Three-line Whip. I suggest that it is only the nation's small size that has kept it from corruption; the fact that our local representative lived just around the corner.

It hardly needs pointing out that we gave much of this away when we instituted MMP - for a substantial minority our Parliament is not elected directly anymore but are appointed "List Members", appointed at the whim of party officials. This is demonstrably undemocratic.

Some claim that we should have more Citizens' Referendums and make these binding on the Parliament. This is simply pie-in-the-sky stuff as it does not fit with the current legal framework (the Sovereignty of the Parliament) and, more importantly, it erodes even further the power of the normal elections.

The central point here is that our Members of Parliament are representative Of the people not representatives For the people. Referendums may work in small tribal or village communities (such as the cantons of Switzerland), but even in those circumstances much power resides with a small, if elected, executive. In the modern world I doubt that this is practical anyway due to the inability to educate the electors sufficiently in the time available.

At the moment we have no way of protecting ourselves against the whims of the politicians or their advisors. We have no buffer between the people and a political group - half of whom (as noted), are unelected. And here is something for Republicans to chew on, only the convention of our non-political, constitutional monarchy stands between that total, unbridled power, and us.

We need therefore to have a written constitution to ensure that the people of New Zealand will always be properly represented on matters of moment and, where this power is granted to a government, that it cannot be suborned by a more energetic minority.

34 comments
Post a comment
Alan Wilkinson   #1   11:30 am Mar 04 2010

"Some claim that we should have more Citizens' Referendums and make these binding on the Parliament. This is simply pie-in-the-sky stuff as it does not fit with the current legal framework (the Sovereignty of the Parliament) and, more importantly, it erodes even further the power of the normal elections."

This is nonsense. Any constitutional change is by definition both a modification of the current legal framework and a constraint on the supposed Sovereignty of Parliament - which for myself I do not concede. The people of NZ are sovereign, not Parliament.

Neither does it erode the power of normal elections. Instead it turns a blunt instrument into a sharper one. No longer can an elected Government claim an unconditional mandate for everything in their manifesto as well as much that wasn't. Nor can it ram through as much unpopular policy as possible as far away as possible from the next election.

Geoff   #2   01:05 pm Mar 04 2010

Leadership is about the capacity to make fast decisions? Really?

Sorry, I don't see that one at all. In my experience, Government decisions made quickly are nearly always bad ones. If MMP can prevent some amount of "impulse purchase" policymaking, then that alone is reason enough to keep it.

Wayne   #3   01:28 pm Mar 04 2010

Democracy is fundamentally flawed.

To illustrate, a line from above in relation to our current account deficit - 'What is abundantly evident is that we must rapidly quit the complacency of the past fifty years if we are to survive.'. Complacent people who are happy doing what they have done for the last 50 years are not going to change. A change will need to be forced upon those people by a Parliament that knows doing so will see it lose the next election and probably the one after. Therefore there will be no change.

The need to please the masses means that a democratically elected Parliament is unlikely to take needed, unpopular action.

Would a constitution change that? Unlikely, and if it did, there would be so many alarmists preaching against it that it would never be passed. Democracy at work.

Justice   #4   04:19 pm Mar 04 2010

Id rather have a referendum on "binding referendums". You know REAL democracy like in Switzerland. This referendum is nothing more than a vote on which corrupt system we will except next so they can add even more MP's no one voted for and continue the gravy train while producing nothing but chaos.

Darth Michael   #5   05:53 pm Mar 04 2010

I was a passionate advocate of MMP in the early 1990s. Now I see that MMP merely guarantees a government that is dominated by mediocrity where the Green Party and the Maori Party call the shots at the expense of everyone else in our community. Indeed, the office of the Prime Minister has become little more than a platform for excuses for why Cabinet is betraying the mainstream voters who put them into office in the first place.

Bring back FPP! It may be undemocratic. But, at least the government is reasonably representative of a substantial slice of the country for 3 years at a time instead of throwing-up a hodge-podge of the politically correct bigotry and intolerance that is extorted out of Labour/National by the Green and Maori Parties.

Maree   #6   11:15 pm Mar 04 2010

Oh my, I am so surprised that National has sought to overturn MMP. The National Party never supported it, and National doesn't like it. National, ACT and Labour all prefer to rule unfettered by conflicting interests that represent the views of the majority of NZ'ers. Tough luck! I'm going to vote to retain MMP because I dislike the abuse these Parties have shown to having unfettered power. e.g. Look at the governance of Auckland 2 years hence and listen to the woe of ratepayers.

Mike   #7   06:59 am Mar 05 2010

Darth Michael: I don't want to let facts get in the way of your argument, but the Green Party have never been part of Government.

Andrew Stevenson   #8   09:31 am Mar 05 2010

I'm a fan of MMP, but I'm a bigger fan of democracy. I applaud the National government for not only the referendum (there are actually two of them, so referendums) but also the format. It's pretty fair, I think.

As for MMP itself, without MMP we wouldn't have a lot of people in parliament who are currently there. I would argue that, whatever you think of the Greens or ACT, their presence in parliament enriches our society and improves the debate in this country. (I am assuming that ACT only won Epsom due to MMP and the strategic voting of that electorate.)

There are problems with any political system, including FPP. There used to be situations where people got elected with under 40% of the vote. So 100% of the representation of that electorate goes to 35% of the vote.

You could stand me for National in Tamaki, and I'd probably win. You could stand me for Labour in Otara, and I'd probably win. It's not me, it's the party.

(I'm not bagging FPP in particular, just pointing out that it has problems like any other system.)

Finally, I am generally opposed to binding referendums. We elect people to represent us and they make the decisions (hopefully after listening to advice from experts and interested parties). I'd be concerned that the public would be too easily swayed by the media and special interest groups. Especially special interest groups with money. That said, this issue is certainly worth more debate.

Campbell   #9   11:56 am Mar 05 2010

@ Alan - in broad terms of course - but only once, every third year, so the sovereignty of the people is a bit tenuous.

Parliament does retain absolute sovereignty however, no Court can over rule the will of the House, no external power can over-rule the will of the House, even international agreements can be repealed by simple majority. No individual or group of citizens retains any of these powers.

The problem with binding referendums is simply one of education. I ask you to recall the most important one recently - the change to MMP. At no time, I repeat, at no time was the full gamut of options give to the people, nor, at any time, was more than lip-service "detail" given to explaining anything but MMP. This is what the pollies wanted - NOT what a well informed public may have wanted. Basically, it was MMP or FPP.

To educate the general public for important matters would take more time (and money) than governments are willing to invest. Secondly, do you really think that they would go to any trouble to give away any of their powers?

@ Maree #6 - National do NOT want a return to FPP and are now supporters of the current system. Simon Power is indicating tinkering with MMP not reverting to FPP. The governance of Auckland was supported by several parties by the way.

On the other hand, can you think of a method of election that might be better than MMP? Keeping in mind that a large number of the MPs are NOT elected but are apparatchiks of the Party organisations. Do you really think that is "democratic"? Suggest something that might be better than the status quo.

Pam   #10   12:10 pm Mar 05 2010

As one of many, I remember all too clearly how it was with FPP. Never again.The present MMP system does need some tweeking.eg. ACT and their presence in Parliament. The present Govt's "softly softly" approach is a long term plan to get an outright majority in the next election which will enable them to flog off the last remaining assets to the private sector. This referendam is going to be a hard fought battle with the huge amount of dollars available to the FFP supporters.An interesting time is ahead of us all.


Show 11-34 of 34 comments

Post comment


Required

Required. Will not be published.
Registration is not required to post a comment but if you , you will not have to enter your details each time you comment. Registered members also have access to extra features. Create an account now.


Maximum of 1750 characters (about 300 words)

I have read and accepted the terms and conditions
These comments are moderated. Your comment, if approved, may not appear immediately. Please direct any queries about comment moderation to the Opinion Editor at blogs@stuff.co.nz
Special offers

Featured Promotions

Sponsored Content