Clark sets the date: election on Nov 8

Craig and a few other on the team sit down at young labour headquarters waiting for every new comment to pop up and do the rhetoric game; denying the obvious, stating the opposite, and trying to disconnect obvious conclusions from logical causes...

You are Boring Craig!

Labour took the benefit of the hard decisions of the Govt before it and recieved the payoff their thankless hard calls made for New Zealand. And then labour made what should have been a great start to the new century and millenium into the most disgusting political escapade of deciet and dispisal of NZ's citizens and democracy in New Zealand political history, not excluding blatent theft of tax $ for election manipulating reasons at a level 800% higher than the next nearest violation of electoral law. New Zealand could have had the foundations of a successful era... Instead it scared off record numbers of its young and talented and built a monstrous white elephant government sector never able to benefit kiwis by the nature of its illogical philosophical basis.

It dispises common sense for sensless political corectness a communist theoretical approach that to date has only destroyed countries. Someone said and this applies to Helen... "Every youth should believe in or be interested in communisim, but anyone who has grown up should know better".

It is a sysytem that is anti human nature that Helen is pushing on our country and so has pathed a path of social destruction in her very attempts to be a social doctor.

She has alienated our citrizens and patched the bleeding country up with immigration and its cash (that has been fast drying up recently).

Well Good luck National as Labour once again hands you a basket case that will require once again more thankless hard calls.

You gave them such a mess after Muldoon 20 years ago I guess its your turn. I do hope Key will stop being just Labour #2 though and steer this country back on course and honour the obligation to make the "house of representatives" represent the people as its name would suggest it should. Key you have been scarcely less a traitor unless you find you testicular fortitude and stand up and OBEY THE PEOPLE!

Leave Miss Clark's physical appearance out of it, Steve - can't remember there ever being a handsome male prime minister. Helen has more brains and staying power than any of her contemporaries.

In response to #3, I have never been a member of the Labour Party. I believe in social justice, something that could never happen under the Tories. Labour is not perfect; however, they are are better option than the Tories. Those who support and vote for the Tories must have had a labotomy, 'cos they only think of themselves not the most vulnerable in our communities. A Tory Mis-Government will not create a caring society.

WHEN Clark talks about TRUST?IS SHE REFERRING TO THE SPENCER TRUST?

So when a National government once again pushes up all govt charges, sells all the family silver and bankrupts the nation (as EVERY National government in history has done), please remember that you lot wanted them to do it.

BTW - comparing Sydney with the entire of NZ? Fine - just chop loose all the infrastructure needed to support 75% of the country. NZ suffers from being a low density, mountainous, wide spread country. Of course its going to be expensive to run.

Honestly, sometimes I think there should be an IQ test before the public are allowed to vote.

In reply to post #4 You forgot to mention that Sydney now has some of the best you rub my back and I'll rub your back deal makers from the Far right of the party. Ohh and yeah that's right Sydney and NSW are now broke.... smaller government means nothing still leads to mismanagment and it is still one of the most expenive places in Australia.

When stirring up the clamour for tax cuts John Key was deliberately misleading. Knowing full well that New Zealand's problem was its low savings rate he artfully said, "Some of it will be saved".

He knew full well that very, very little of it would be saved. During the early years 2000 when our economy was doing well NZers were spending up large - leveraging to borrow where they could to get on the housing bandwagon or spending in other ways like there was no tomorrow.

It was all National's beat up (assisted by the media) to make the Labour-led Government unpopular. Yes, there were surpluses and these were derived from taxation revenues. This was peoples own money, but it was not "stolen" as the Nats and ACT wanted to portray. Dr Cullen was called "scrooge" and criticised, but the looming credit crunch and collapse of financial institutions was not yet a reality.

Earlier tax cuts which were National's platform would have largely been leveraged up and spent. The housing slump would have been even worse.

New Zealand is considered to be in a relatively better position to weather the economic downturn. National's current policy is to borrow heavily. New Zealand would have had higher debt, less reserves like the Superannuation (Cullen) Fund and our own KiwiSaver accounts, and less infrastructure funded by revenues if National had become the government. Public services would have been poorer.

The business taxation rate was lowered to less than it was under any previous National government and there was targetted taxation relief for families (Working for Families). Now that the economy is under pressure there will be fillips from tax cuts and lowered interest rates.

The Labour-led government has practiced good fiscal management.

These National supporters who are trying to create this hysteria about a government not achieving and "roll on election day to kick them out" are like drunken, hooligan soccer-fan losers.

she just doesn't get it does she........doesn't matter when the date is, we've had enough of tired old politicians and party's and her in particular. She should retire gracefully (hmmmm...bit impossible really)

"Labour's evasiveness, flip flops, and secret agendas show it cannot be trusted.

"We in National will be talking about our vision for the future of New Zealand. National is ambitious for New Zealand. Labour is ambiguous."

Hmm! Just corrected a major misprint.

Finally, an end to 9 years of being screwed for taxes by scrooge uncle Cullen. An end to gender bending legislation and loonie green policies. She extricates herself from having to deal with a dodgy, evasive and suspect member of her cabinet. Bet you nothing will come out of the Privileges Committee so Winston gets to be the tail that wags the dog again if this lot get a 4th Term.