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OPINION: Religion has nothing to fear from open and healthy debate, writes Richard Randerson.
In a free and democratic society it is surprising that there are those who want to close down robust debate about religion and atheism. Responding to complaints from the public and staff, New Zealand Bus has declined to run pro- atheism advertisements on their buses.
The wording of the ads is a good basis for debate: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." The use of the word "probably" suggests a subtle hedging of bets - with a degree of uncertainty introduced, "agnostic" might be a better descriptor than "atheist" for the ads.
And what sort of God probably does not exist? Probably the same kind of God as Oxford don Richard Dawkins likes to contest. Soon to visit New Zealand as part of festival events, Dawkins' 2006 book The God Delusion chooses as his target a God who is no more than a caricature.
He cites Bertrand Russell's concept of a "china teapot revolving around the sun in an elliptical orbit" as a parallel to believing in God. One could not say definitively there was not such a teapot, any more than one could say there was certainly no God, but applying the common sense test one would have to say that probably no such entity existed. Is a similar God concept the basis of the atheist bus ads?
Professor Dawkins is a good scientist but a poor theologian. His book quotes exclusively the views of fundamentalist preachers, many from the United States.
He ignores the significant range of alternative theological perspectives that understand God not in terms of "old man in the sky" caricatures but in such concepts as spirit, life, love, and mystery - concepts that have an ancient pedigree, being found, for example, in Celtic expressions of religion and many others.
For an academic to ignore the views of other, and more contemporary, theologians is a serious lapse on the part of one supposedly committed to objective research. It is not that Professor Dawkins is unaware of non-fundamentalist theological thinkers: he refers to them on occasions but never quotes their views. In fact he works with them when it suits in opposing fundamentalist perspectives.
As an example, Professor Dawkins tells how he and Richard Harries, the previous bishop of Oxford, arranged for a group of eight bishops and nine scientists to write a joint letter to former British prime minister Tony Blair protesting against a proposal to introduce creationism into a secondary school science curriculum. The letter was drafted, Professor Dawkins notes, by the bishop of Oxford, but his views on God appear nowhere in The God Delusion.
The proposed atheist bus ad goes on to say that in the probable absence of God we can all now stop worrying and enjoy our lives.
This would appear to be a response to another caricature of a God of fire and brimstone who visits vengeance and wrath upon a hapless people, leaving them in a state of perpetual fear and anxiety. Such imagery is to be found in the Bible. It arose in a time of intense persecution of Christians by the Roman emperor, and is a graphic way of assuring the persecuted of the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
Though there are those who proclaim such texts today in literal fashion, most Christians live much more by their experience of God as a God of love who enhances all of life and relationships.
The many different perspectives on religion and atheism are central to people's lives and deserve free and open debate.
Religion has no need of special protection to defend itself. Any truth, religious or otherwise, that cannot withstand scrutiny in the marketplace is not worth protecting.
In 2007, the Human Rights Commission and Victoria University of Wellington produced a statement on religious diversity.
Its opening paragraph states: "New Zealand is a country of many faiths with a significant minority who profess no religion. Increasing religious diversity is a significant feature of public life.
To debate that diversity in a robust and transparent manner enhances our understanding of others and our relationships with them.
And with all the pithy pieces of wisdom one sees on church noticeboards around the country, there is no shortage of statements Christians could put on a few buses themselves.
Richard Randerson is the former Anglican dean and assistant bishop of Auckland
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Why is there many different religions, why has there been many different ones over time, myths, legends, Greek, Roman, Maori, Aboriginal etc... Has anyone ever considered it along the same lines as languages developed to suit the needs of a particular group of isolated people and spread through the world by war, travel, and communication. A tribe lives in a valley, the sky is red they don't know why, a child asks his father why is the sky red, the father filling that need to be a role model and provider role delves deep into his creative mind and comes up with a seemingly logical and intelligent answer for the time and this satisfies the child, who then passes this onto his friends who then grow up and pass this onto their children like a language, like a cultural tradition. A long time ago people through science couldn't explain the sun setting, light refraction causing the sky to be blue, they came up with reasoning and this became a fact of such in their time. Each part of the world and their cultures were isolated by distance and lack of modern communication we have today so they had their own beliefs or as we know now religion. It’s no surprise that religion was spread by people as they moved around the world through both violent and peaceful means to others. The most logical or more appropriately least illogical view was taken up or forced upon by the next tribe , so on and so forth. No aborigines become Christians until the Christians arrived, same with Maori etc... why is this, shouldn't god (Yahweh, in the Old Testament) have sorted them out with the right beliefs long before, why is it that man had to spread god’s word, could he not do this himself? Is it in fact that instead of God creating Man, man created god, hence only man through crusades, wars, church's and missionary's can spread god’s word not god himself. As time went by many weaker beliefs were absorbed by the mainstream religions of today. Science in the meantime explained why the sun shone, the sky was blue, where humans came from, why plants are green and how to split the atom, Some humans accepted this and moved on to a more modern belief system, used logic, fact and burden of proof to live by, modern communications helped spread science faster than any religions or mythical belief that has ever existed. Still however some people cling to tradition, like Cliff Richard and Neil Diamond fans cling to their hero's youth .. its human nature to find it hard to let go long held beliefs, habits or hero's. It goes without saying that even the most ardent believer if logical in any way shape or form does not believe the old testaments instructions to kill children who talk back.. but why God has not appeared and re written these laws, again its a human prerogative to make the changes and the church decides which laws to follow and which are no longer relevant. If anyone has read the old statement and its painful I assure you this is not the impression it gives... All laws should be followed with no exemptions. The sad and honest truth is that for all its noble and wisdomic intentions religion like, TV, pop culture, computer games and the Simpson's is a human creation reflecting those who created its views and spread through war, word and worship to all parts, in some form of popularity contest. The shame of it all , is that Region's PR team will tell you they preach peace and tolerance however, its only peace and tolerance to those who share the same views, its death by Jihad, punishment by purgatory and exile by exclusion for those who dare to believe in the wrong God or no god at all. If there is a God and as the slogan says all evidence points to probably not then he must have a bloody good PA to help answer 3 or 4 billion prayers per day, kill without a second thought millions every day, coordinate the wreaking untold havoc through natural disasters and arrange gods buys schedule of appointments for attending dinners and speeches to collect accolades from athletes and politicians who are constantly honouring him.. Whoever she is I want to hire her. God what does she charge?
"The wording of the ads is a good basis for debate: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." The use of the word "probably" suggests a subtle hedging of bets - with a degree of uncertainty introduced, "agnostic" might be a better descriptor than "atheist" for the ads. "
No, atheist is right. Atheism means lacking the belief in god rather then being 100% God does not exist
There is no god... it's Science!
@Phil
I was responding to Ronald's ignorant use of the term "evolutionists" which suggested he had been told that the big bang theory was another construct of those Evil Scientists and had obviously never bothered to find out if he was just being fed propaganda.
And of course religious people can be deceived. By definition in fact .
"Religion has no need of special protection to defend itself."
Oh good. Can we repeal the blasphemy laws now please? And while we're at it, remove religion from the definition of 'charitable activity', and get full taxes and rates paid by 'churches' on their possessions?
@ TJ #143
And what? a priest or religious person can't be deceived? Heard of Bishop Brian :P
@Ronald 41
"Ever heard of the big bang? that happened when evolutionists closed the door on common logic! "
Actually, the Big Bang theory was originally proposed by Georges Lemaître, who was a priest....
@ThatChristianGuy #139
No, no, no and no. Look up "base assertion fallacy" and get back to me when you have an actual argument.
For everyone else, here is the definitive debate on the abhramic religions. http://www.sanchi.ro/view_video.php?viewkey=4a5a1e679e2eaad38b59
Ronald 41. Nice logic. If you follow this through "God" would be more complex than man and would therefore need a creator himself. This creator would be complex and need a creator.........
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As long as it's not offensive (and the proposed bus ad isn't), there is nothing wrong with advertising believes and opinions. God believers do the same - which is fine too.
Albert Einstein once said: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness." There is also nothing wrong with this expression of his opinion, which I share.