Rugby's 'battle of hemispheres' back on agenda
BY MARC HINTON
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A money-spinning "battle of the rugby hemispheres" that would finally determine bragging rights between the Super 15 and Heineken Cup is back on the agenda and being heavily driven by northern hemisphere concerns.
In other words, a fixture that makes so much sense, and will generate so many dollars, has finally got a chance of becoming a reality.
However, finding an appropriate date to stage the contest, let alone an agreeable format, still looms as a major sticking point, with English clubs pushing heavily for a December slot that would heavily disadvantage southern hemipshere sides who will not even be assembled at that point.
And there seems to be some debate over the best format for what would be an unofficial world club championship, with a straight playoff between the champions of south and north being mooted by English clubs, and an extended series involving up to six sides gaining some currency in Australia.
However, one thing is certain - with England's Premiership clubs apparently firmly behind the establishment of the fixture, it now looks to have the sort of momentum that could finally see the long-mooted matchup become a reality.
The UK's Guardian newspaper has reported that "all the major unions" are behind the proposal and stepping up efforts to get the much-anticipated contest over the line. They say it will be staged somewhere in Europe, and possibly in early December, tagged on the end of the "autumn" international series.
New Zealand Rugby Union chief executive Steve Tew today told stuff.co.nz the "exciting concept" of a clash of the hemispheres was about to be discussed in detail by the southern tri-nations collective, Sanzar.
"Sanzar have had an approach from Premier Rugby Ltd (the group representing leading English clubs), with a proposal for a weekend of fixtures between northern and southern hemisphere championship winners," said Tew. "It's an exciting concept that's been talked about for a number of years and while it would be great to make this happen, as always, the issue will come down to scheduling a weekend like this in an already full rugby calendar.
"Sanzar countries will continue to discuss this at a meeting in Sydney tomorrow."
Premier Rugby is apparently taking a lead role in discussions, keen to establish the playoff as a valuable revenue boost, and also to head off independent interests.
PRL chief executive Mark McCafferty told The Guardian: "Our clubs, as well as those in Europe and the southern hemisphere, have had approaches from Monaco, Abu Dhabi and, most recently, from South Africa. If the stakeholders within rugby don't create this, somebody else will and we'll find an outsider coming in.
"It's us who have been pushing it," he added. "The only issue we're trying to crack is the date. The sticking points at the moment are the dates of the new domestic competitions in the southern hemisphere, but we're still working on it."
McCafferty felt logistics were all that now stood in the way of the lucrative world playoff.
"Everyone has got an appetite to do it if we can just find a date. Further discussions are continuing with the southern hemisphere to see if we can find one."
New South Wales Waratahs chief executive Jim L'Estrange told The Australian newspaper they had been approached "about six to eight months ago" about an inter-hemipshere clash of the champions. But they have a bigger concept in mind.
"Rather than having just a one-off match between the two champions, we had in mind a mini-tournament involving five or six teams," said L'Estrange.
"That might take the form of a series involving the winners of the three Sanzar conferences (Australia, New Zealand and South Africa) against, say, the French Top 14 champion and the English Premiership winner," said L'Estrange. "From a NSW union perspective, we'd certainly be interested in something like that as long as our top players were available."
Finding a common ground among all the self-interest is going to be the toughest challenge for officials from both hemispheres.
Staging the match in December suits the north as all their clubs are back in the swing of their competitions, and on the tail of the "autumn" internationals there would be an appetite for a clash of such international standing.
However, expecting sides like the Crusaders or Bulls to be able to perform at a level that would make them competitive months after the end of their season, when their players are all in test mode, would be a tall order.
And clearly the Australian unions, less than confident about their involvement as champions of the expanded Super 15, are seeking a guaranteed place as a conference winner.
Whether there is room, or appetite, to grow the concept into a two or three-match playoff must be heavily doubtful.
One thing is certain. Now that the north is on board, expect the concept to become a reality sooner rather than later.
- © Fairfax NZ News
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At international level, fine! difficult to fit into the schedule but not impossible.
As for Henry for PM #57, not much of a selector are you? Half of those AB's are just about shot...& anyone who would select Nonu ahead of far sounder & more intelligent players like Barnes & Olivier or even Giteau must need his head read.
If time can be found for it possibly after super rugby comp finishes then its a great idea. you could have countries taking it in turns to host such a comp but clearly there's still a lot of work to do. For a start there is the problem of the June tests and the local domestic comps as for the nay sayers grow up people the game is now professional and demands professional competitions. Live with it.
@ Henry for PM #57
I generally agree with most of your comments on rugby but that team is terrible. Chris' team is way better and almost exactly what I would've picked (the only player I definitely would never pick is Ashley-Cooper). Guildford over Habana though?!? And Nonu over Giteau?
Henry for PM #57
If you are referring to me, I'm at #42... Anyway... You think you are a know it all in Rugby? Your team is pretty much just a AB side with 2 SA players and no Aussies... And you have a couple of players not in their primary positions. My team has a better mix of SH players compared to yours.
Chris #39 I think if you knew your rugby your team would be more like this- Tialata, Hore, Woodcock, Matfield, Ali Williams, Kaino, Rodders, McCaw (C) Du Preez, Carter, Nonu, Smith, Sivivatu, Guildford, Muliana
and Dave #46 Munster was paying an All BLack b team and the ref made some pretty shocking calls against the men in BLack that day.
Wow there is a lot of arrogance on here with regard to the weakness of NH teams!! Either way, it would be great to see an "All star" type of match as suggested by Chris #39, and play it a neutral venue such as Dubai (as per Craig #29).
Big issue for it would be the refs though, Maybe a NH Ref first half and SH second half? Would maybe prevent some whinging from both sides about interpretations.
The condition of the pitch would also be important, IE hard/fast tracks suiting the SH running rugby and softer track suiting the positional game of the NH.
And here's a novel idea..... use the profits to boost the Rugby program in Argentina (I know the IRB are already funding this) so we could get another decent international side on the scene. Can only be good for the game!!
Hey everyone!!
I just really wanna say that I would like totally be all for a NH vs SH clash! I think that it would be a total hoot! Just to see our 15 hardest, manliest men take on theirs. That would soo have me drooling lol!
Bring on the sweat (and thats just me watching from the stands hehe)
A one off match would make the most sense between the H Cup winner and the S15 winner. Doesn't require too much organisation. The NH clubs/palyers already play far more games than their S15 counterparts. 26 or 22 games versus 13 games in S14 currently. Holding it in December makes sense from having some of the SH players up North already - a view shared by some SH rugby officials.
NH test sides have been sending full squads on tour down South in recent years, particularly Ireland and Wales and also France last year. If it was a once-off match at end of season then this would be early June for Top 14. H Cup final is on 26 May and Guinness Prem final is on after this. So June is earliest the match could be held and this would interfere with SH tests.
The proposal by the NSW Union to have the 3 SANZAR conference winners play the winners of Top 14 and English Premiership in a mini-series is different. But it would not be a true Nh v SH battle. Considering that Irish clubs have dominated the Heineken Cup in recent years, with Munster and Leinster winning it three times, and Irish and Welsh teams also winning the Grand Slam in the 6 Nations, it would be shortsighted of SANZAR to exclude some of the best teams/champions from a NH/SH series.
Both the S14 and Heineken finals are played around the same time. A week or two after would be the sensible option with early june tests getting cut down to accomodate
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Re : Henry for PM #57
Not to be nitpicking but munster were missing all their Irish Internationals that day too.
Other than all the usual NH v SH bragging nonsense I think its a great idea to have a one off competition. Sure we Irish keep getting walloped by NZ but some day we'll win one (hopefully in New Plymouth in June) Bring on the party then!!