Has Peter Jackson reflected on the massive chunk of his life that he's devoted to Hobbits?
"You're not going to make me are you?" he winces. "It's a long time. A long time."
The 52-year-old New Zealand director still has another movie to go, so he can be forgiven for not wanting to ponder too deeply the 16 years he's already spent in the service of J.R.R. Tolkien.
The latest installment, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, is his fifth Tolkien film (part two in the three-movie Hobbit prequel to the Lord of the Rings trilogy) and approximately hour 84 in the Middle-earth saga.
That may be a slight overestimate, but in any case, it's been a lot of Orcs.
The journey has largely been a smooth one. Each "Lord of the Rings" film was received rapturously, averaging about US$1 billion a pop, and the trilogy culminated in the Oscar steamrolling of The Return of the King.
But when Jackson turned his attention to Tolkien's first book, The Hobbit, things got bumpier. He and New Line feuded over merchandising revenue from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit was held up. Initially, Jackson was to executive produce with Guillermo del Toro directing a two-film adaptation, but after delays raged on, del Toro dropped out and Jackson returned to the director's chair.
When Jackson and Warner Bros. opted to make "The Hobbit" three films, a feeling of Hobbit overdose - and claims of overreaching - began to surround the project. The first film didn't enjoy nearly as warm a response from critics or filmgoers.
An Unexpected Journey made another US$1 billion, but it was derided for its lengthy running time (182 minutes), its prolonged introduction of characters and its innovative use of 48 frames-per-second, double the industry standard. Jackson had already broken new ground with technical effects like the motion-capture technique used to create the hobbit mutant Gollum, and he hailed the higher frame rate as the future of filmmaking - a sharper image that could attract moviegoers like 3-D had.
But the 48 fps wasn't well received. Critics said the film seemed overamplified and that the increased clarity yielded a discombobulating hyper-realism that contrasted poorly with the set design.
With The Desolation of Smaug, Jackson hopes to be righting the Hobbit ship. But he's resolutely sticking with 48 fps as the definitive way to see the movie: "It's by far the best way to see it," he says.
Yet Jackson and Warner Bros. have declined to show film critics Jackson's preferred version, instead only screening in advance the film in 24 frames-per-second.
"I was part of that decision," says Jackson. "We did feel that last year, we split focus in a way. People were reviewing the frame rate as well as reviewing the movie. I felt the technology dominated."
The director, though, says he's also worked to improve how the higher frame rate feels.
"I spent a lot of time in the colour-grading room really putting my head into how we make the 48 not have a video feel," says Jackson. "Some of the criticism of the 48 frames was not actually to do with the frame rate per se, which is just making it easier on your eyes, reducing motion blur. It was to do with the fact that it felt like TV, like soap opera."
Moviegoers will get to choose. They can see Desolation of Smaug in 24 or 48, as well as in 3-D. Warner Bros. is increasing the number of theaters showing the film in 48 fps.
The film, meanwhile, is finding much better reviews. Along with Benedict Cumberbatch's titular dragon created with motion-capture, Jackson has added a notable new character to Tolkien's tale. Evangeline Lilly plays the female elf, Tauriel, who's the fighting equal of Orlando Bloom's Legolas.
"It honestly was a cold-blooded decision to write a good, strong female role because there aren't any," says Jackson.
Earlier this year while shooting pickups from the original shooting of Desolation of Smaug, Jackson also wrapped up leftover production for the third film, There and Back Again, to be released next December. His time with Tolkien is finally coming to an end.
But Jackson's life is fully entwined with the films. He makes them with his wife and creative partner Fran Walsh. Their pugs make a cameo in Smaug. Jackson, too, has regularly made appearances in the films. Since the timeline is about 60 years earlier in the Hobbit movies, he says his briefly glimpsed character in Smaug is the grandfather of his Rings cameo.
"I care so much about my cameo, I even map all the connections between the films," he laughs. "It's just silly fun."