Teaching kids, training dogs

BY SIMON GOODALL
Last updated 08:00 09/11/2009

Over the last few years I've been challenged by a lot of dog owners who can't see the point of using treats, when whacking the dog and pulling hard on the dog or holding it on the ground seemed to work just as well. Why use treats, they ask, and is there any way that they will be able to do the commands once we stop treats?

There are parallels between teaching kids and training dogsI like to use my daughter as an example, because effectively we used positive reinforcement or treats with her. For example, when we wanted her to learn how to go to the toilet did we whack her every time she did not go on the toilet? Of course not - that would be a waste of time and in my opinion would not work, not to mention illegal. No, we used a sticker chart so every time she went she got a sticker and at the end of so many stickers she got a nice reward. Do we use one now? No not at all, because she goes to the toilet.

Training dogs can definitely be compared to training children in this way. When we want a dog to sit, we use a treat as a reward and slowly phase them out. When the dog does not sit, we don't whack it - we use our voice sternly or push its bottom down so it learns to do it every time.

I'm not saying that using treats is the be all and end all; we don't use treats for all our commands. I'm also not saying that using choker chains does not work. I'm saying that all our trainers prefer to use positive methods. All trainers have their own opinions and the saying is, if you get five trainers in a room you'll end up with 10 different ideas!  So when you choose a trainer, ask for their ideas, their experience and their background. This will often give you an idea of how to train your dog effectively. You should be able to view any classes they run and ask them any questions you may have. If a trainer has to go on the defensive about their training methods or rubbishes another trainer in front of you, consider whether this is the person you want to train your dog.

Simon Goodall is the director of Dog Guru, which has branches in Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga and Wellington. Simon is a member of the International Association of Canine Professionals and International Association of Animal Behaviour Consultants. On Facebook? Check out Dog Guru.

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n   #1   08:16 am Nov 09 2009

Caught out one of our dogs sneaking the cat food. Just had to say her name loudly and in a 'shocked/angry' tone and she hid behind the table - was very hard not to giggle - then outside time for her. She was very apologetic afterwards. However like kids this doesn't work the same on the over one who even caught in the middle of it will simply do innocent look 'What??' and be mortally offeneded at being put into time out *grin*

paul   #2   08:31 am Nov 09 2009

Positive reinforcement has always been a more effective option in training anyone (or anything).

The only negative reinforcement training system I have ever used was an electric dog collar for keeping a dog on a property. That only takes a couple of shocks when the dog strays to train them the right way to leave the property (when you switch the collar off, step out on to the street and call them).

Michelle   #3   08:53 am Nov 09 2009

My two dogs are complete opposites. Heather is "oooh I better not do that ever again" Holly is "oooh I better not get caught doing that ever again"

missy   #4   08:55 am Nov 09 2009

I would never hit my dog when he is good I pat him and tell him he is a good dog. He is a collie and not very into food so treats don't work so well as a reward.

When he is bad I clap my hand he hates this sound and will stop doing what he is doing straight away like sniffing our cat or jumping up on the couch.

Laura   #5   08:59 am Nov 09 2009

I trained my first dog at a local obedience club where they used more traditional training methods including correction. Although we passed I never had a dog that was particularly obedient - it was almost like she was resentful of having to sit or down. I've since devoured the library in dog training books and started using clicker training. For me this has been way more successful - training in a positive manner leaves us in a good mood. I've been able to teach her all sorts of tricks quickly and easily.

This year we started agility training which really focuses on postitive reinforcement and play as a reward - and I belive that is the main reason we have enjoyed it so much.

I've just started training my 4 month old puppy now at a different obedience club where postive reinforcement is used and I must say it makes all the difference to me and how much I enjoy training him.

Thalia   #6   09:51 am Nov 09 2009

Psychologists have spent years proving that positive reinforcement is the best way of training any animal or person to do anything. They make you do it in learning and behaviour in stage two learning and behaviour. Make the pigeon do something ridiculous and it gets food. Or make the rat push the button to feed itself.. its not actually very difficult and it makes them happier than shocking them. For something as intelligent as a dog they can equate you with something they like as opposed to something they hate its a much better relationship.

Kim   #7   10:43 am Nov 09 2009

I did alot of obedience training and agility with my Shepherd, and I totally agree, positive reinforcement is far more effective than punishment. If I was calm and having fun then he behaved well, if I was tired and in a bad mood he could be a right pain, dogs pick up on your vibes I reckon. I'm hesitant to compare children with dogs, but similar methods work on my son :-)

Max   #8   12:31 pm Nov 09 2009

My Mum uses treats with me, and always has for training purposes. When I was only a baby (I'm not three), I use to get treats if I sat at the curb and waited before crossing the road. Now I know that I should always sit and can do this without a treat. Recently Mum has been training me not to talk to all the other dogs in the neighbourhood all night. I get a final warning, and if I come in straight away I get two chocky drops (my favourite treat), if I don't and don't come in on the words time out, Mum uses her grumpy voice and then chases me into the bathroom - no treats. But if I come inside on the words time out and go to bathroom by myself Mum will give me a treat. I much prefer the treat and no grumpy Mum. Recently I have noticed that I don't always get a treat when I've followed Mum's instructions, but that's okay because next time she might give me one instead. As a dog, I'm all for treats training, and happy voices.

jill   #9   08:21 pm Nov 09 2009

Good article. I hate when people abuse there animals in to doing what they want. Humans should not have right to hurt animals in anyway. Better laws need to be put in to place to protect animals I say. Animals do learn just like children. They respond better to positive training methods e.g food. It's been proven. Just look at cesar millan!

...Louise...   #10   08:53 pm Nov 09 2009

Positive reinforcement with the occasional treat for good behaviour. Being sent to "Coventry" for bad behaviour. Smacking is bad and unnecessary. Works the same for children and animals. Although my dad always told us to make sure the dog gets fed last as befits the lowest pack member. Don't know whether this actually helped with the obedience, but he was pretty good dog, dumb but good. Not sure it would work on my kids.


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