A slightly better moment: valuation

Last updated 10:42 05/09/2012
There's a lot of brilliant advice in the comments from my first blogging post that I won't forget. I'll paste it all into an "advice" blog post and update it as more comes in - so that those of you also building can use it as a resource. At the end of this process we'll all have written a house-building encyclopedia together, then we can sell it and actually be able to afford to build houses. Thank you for your comments.

There was also a lot of other advice I'm not sure about such as suggestions that I build somewhere else, harden up, build it myself instead of hiring a builder, move to Christchurch, move to the third world or re-sit School C maths. (I may have slightly misunderstood some of them.) My favourite comment started with the words "Whoop-de-doo". What I loved was that someone still says "Whoop de doo" - I thought that had been lost along with phrases like "man alive" and "heebie jeebies" and calling people "bounders". I like to imagine the commenter thinking "I'm gonna tear this guy a new one - I'll start with Whoop de doo" then stopping to think how to spell it. There isn't a dictionary in the land that will give you a spelling for Whoop de doo. In fact if I were him I would have saved on the second "o" in "doo" and splashed out on another "e" for the "de".

And I'm delighted to pass on two important facts about quantity surveyors I didn't know. Lizzie points out that nails are just about the only thing they don't actually count - nails are measured by weight. And jk shares another sketch where Fry and Laurie rightly lampoon the profession.

After getting a quantity surveyor's estimate of $930,000 to build our three-level Three Kings house (see last blog post), Gemma and I freaked out. Despite making the big bucks as a semi-professional part-time blogging poster, there was no way we could afford that on top of the price of the section. We laughed, we cried (well I cried, but only a little bit). Gemma was remarkably calm - she knew we'd work our way through it, but all I could see was dreams collapsing like a house made of pink icey slicey wafers.

Our next step was to get a valuation on the place. I reasoned that it was one kind of stupid to build a house you could potentially not afford to build, but that it was a completely different species of stupid to build a house that wouldnt be worth nearly what you spent on it. Im all up for being reckless and overextending ourselves to the point that we cant afford milk and have to wee on our Weetbix to soften them (disgusting I know but Ive been a Massey student) but if it was at least worth what we spend then if all turns to yoghurt we can sell it and laugh about the whole thing later.

Luckily there are valuers (my friend Rachel calls them valuators, which I love, so I will call them that from now on) who will look at your plans and the area, research recent sales and come up with an estimation of market value of a house which doesnt exist. I would have thought lack of existence would decrease the market value a lot, but it doesnt seem to hamper it at all. In fact imaginariness seems to increase the value, if anything.

I met a great character called Derek on our site, from a crowd called Morley and Associates. He took this photo of our tiny steep section

Sectionnew

and he and I walked around. I gave him our plans. Before he retreated back to his lair to create a value for our place, he asked me if I had any idea of what it would be worth. I said no which was true. I did have an idea of what I hoped it would be worth. If it was up to me his calculation should be Valuation = QS Estimate + Section Cost. I didnt tell him what I hoped it would be though. I didnt want to affect the outcome. Actually I didnt want to be laughed at in the street.

Derek went away to begin his calculations. Basically he looks at other houses that have sold in the area. He then compares them to our imaginary house which he evaluates for bigness and fanciness. If he thinks ours will be stinker than a previously sold house nearby, he knows the value will be less. If he thinks ours is grouser than another, hell say "a bit more than that". The trick is to know the area well enough and have the kind of handle on "stinker" and "grouser" that takes a lot of experience to have. So we crossed our fingers and waited for his report.

The next day we got a letter from the council. It was our first rates assessment for the section. At the top it said "Land value: $240,000". Now I love the Auckland Council - have I established that already? I love them the way monkeys love bananas (a lot and every day) and furthermore I understand that the CV or GV or RV, or whatever it is, is often less than the market value. But since we had, just a few months before, paid $300,000 for the section we took this as a bad omen for the overall value of our eventual house. 

Meanwhile we took that QS report and wrote all over it. We crossed things out, recalculated things, tried to find mistakes and tried to find savings. Some things we realised we just didn't need. Some things we realised we couldn't afford. My favourite thing we removed was a patterned pressed aluminium on the ceiling in our living/dining/kitchen area

pressed aluminium

Its great stuff, can be used outside as well as inside. I wanted to put it up as a nod to the old villa we own now as thats what the Victorians and Edwardians put up in the fancy rooms of their houses our house has it in the front two rooms and half the hallway. A number of companies in Australia do it, including these people.

For everything we considered removing we had to work out if the replacement would be cheaper enough to mean a worthwhile saving. Replacing the patterned aluminium ceilings with normal gib saved us about $8000 so it was a no-brainer. (Actually a no-brainer would be if we decided not to go with the giant decorative brain we had planned for the foyer, but theres no way Im giving that up.)

We found things we knew we could get cheaper than the QS had listed. We crossed those things out. We joyfully discovered that the QS had a figure in there for a driveway crossing that exists already. On our own we found about $50,000 of savings without making massive changes to our overall plans.

We called our architect (father-in-law) and our draughtsman (Karl), we called our engineer (Bruce) our mothers (Sandy and Jocelyn) and our quantity surveyor (bad nasty man). We asked our professionals if there were strange, foolish, costly or inefficient things in our plans we werent aware of. Were there aspects of our plans they were secretly laughing at? With their help we removed or rationalised a whole lot of small things. No glass balustrades, timber retaining instead of block where possible, smaller garage area, no rain screen just normal cladding... Putting a couple of support posts in the open-plan area upstairs and along the edge of the deck meant the roof structure could be simplified saving a lot of money on steel. We hadnt wanted any posts, but once we realised that wish would cost us $20,000 we were remarkably unconcerned about having a couple of posts.

You know youve been staring at the plans and QS report too long when you say to your wife I think we can both agree this roof is a luxury we cant afford.

roof needed

Thats a picture of our house as planned so far. Its only an artists impression using a 3D modelling programme called Google Sketchup thats absolutely free here. We decided to splash out and leave the roof in the plans.

To avoid getting such a surprise from the QS report, commentster Glen last week suggested my maths needed a tweak. He suggested I change my equation (which was Bigness x (Hardness + Fancyness) = Costyness) so that our budget dictates the size of the house we can afford. Glen’s solution was “Costyness - fixed site costs = build budget / (fancyness) = m2 I can afford” If I’m getting Glen right, I might translate it as:

Bigness I can afford = (Costyness – fixed site costs)/(Fancyness)

That way if you know your budget and the fixed site costs of building on your site (dictated by the difficulty of your section) then you can vary your "fancyness" to dictate the size of house you can afford. It’s pretty hard to do this first up, until you get an idea of what your fixed site costs are – so this was basically what we ended up doing once we had the QS report in hand. Thanks Glen.

After a couple of weeks of discussions and changes the revised QS report came back at a significantly smaller amount than the first report. I wont tell you right now what it was because we are soon getting builders to quote for the job and we arent supposed to tell them what we are expecting, so its secret right now. But I will tell you as soon as we accept a builders quote.

Then we got the email from Derek the valuator. It was another tense moment, but this time not an awful one. Amazingly the valuation almost exactly equalled the new QS estimate plus the section cost. I did a dance.

After about $2000 spent on valuators and quantity surveyors, we are glad we had our eyes opened with them. Its good to know exactly which sort of stupid you are before you embark on ill-advised projects. Its good to know by how much your optimism outstrips sensible projections and its comforting to have a handle on the scale of your future poverty. Now we have finished being sensible we can charge forward like eager children.

In the meantime we have been struggling long and hard with how to best heat our new house a big decision we have to make in the next couple of weeks before we submit plans for building consent. My next blogging post will tell you all weve learnt about house heating.

Spoiler alert: If you thought the answer was to buy some heaters, it turns out youre wrong.

If you email me or follow my twitting here I will let you know when there are new posts.

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Condor   #1   12:05 pm Sep 05 2012

Three important words: passive solar design. But if you've already Sketched-up your design, then you may be past the point at which you can incorporate a decent passive solar design.

dragonzflame   #2   12:06 pm Sep 05 2012

I've got a copy of Kevin McCloud's 43 Principles of Home. One part that's stuck with me is where he advises that the things that are worth spending your money on are the things you'll touch regularly - door handles, taps, carpeting, bench tops etc. - and you can cut corners on the things you don't regularly come into contact with - skirting board, cupboard shelves, etc. I guess there are some situations where that doesn't quite compute, but it seemed like a good rule of thumb to me.

But then I would jump off the roof into a gorse bush if Kevin told me to.

Liz Q   #3   12:09 pm Sep 05 2012

I love the light hearted way you do your calculations, they are both amusing and very true! One thing i found not to underestimate is landscaping things. By planting a few bushes here and there in some sort of tidy line near a house, it suddenly improves a house value by 10-20k!

Loving the blog posts - and very interested to see how this pans out!

Bee   #4   12:10 pm Sep 05 2012

Awesome blog - really enjoying following your journey and I'm learning a lot at the same time. Thanks!

Rach   #5   12:17 pm Sep 05 2012

Awesome news that the costyness has come down. I'm looking forward to seeing how the rest of this journey goes :)

cookie   #6   01:23 pm Sep 05 2012

So...you got a valuation on your original plans, revised those plans to save heaps of money, then the valuation for the original house came out the same as your estimated costs (before you go over budget) for the new, cheaper version. Sounds to me like you're at serious risk of over-capitalising! Have a look on real estate websites and Trade Me at what sorts of houses are selling in your area, and try to find out what they are actually selling for (not just the asking price). Compare them with your plans, and you'll start to get an idea of whether or not you're being realistic. Also, you can look on the council website and see the ratings valuations for other properties in your area. Regarding heating, I really hope that your house is designed and sited for good passive solar gain, has appropriately sized eaves so it doesn't overheat in summer, is double glazed ,and will be insulated to better than Building Code standards. If you're doing all that, you won't need too much by way of heating OR cooling - better for your budget, and for the environment!

Matt   #7   01:34 pm Sep 05 2012

Love it Jon.

Can't wait to see the heating option.

Mandy   #8   01:38 pm Sep 05 2012

Is that a caravan in your front yard?

pepperann   #9   01:44 pm Sep 05 2012

I'm loving the blog - very informative and entertaining. I too, would jump off the roof into a gorse bush if Kevin told me to.

Lisa   #10   01:57 pm Sep 05 2012

Liz @#3 makes comment on the landscaping. When we built our house, a landscaper advised that you should budget 20% of your build cost for landscaping - planting, paving etc. Doubt many people could afford that. Needless to say we did most of our landscaping ourselves - not a bad effort really. Great blog.


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