Funny how the detractors of homeopathy always state "there are no clinical trials proving homeopathy', when there are loads of them. Highly reputable ones, too.

So many, in fact, that the Swiss government, after assessing them, has just decided to cover homeopathy in their national health insurance.

And who is more neutral than the Swiss?

Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?

"MEDICINE"

If Homeopathy cannot stand up to clinical trials, then it needs to dilute itself out of existence.

Here's a good one on scientific experiments... accidently performed just after 9/11 which showed that noise affects whale sh#t... we would never have known anything about this if it wasn't for 9/11... funny old world isn't it ??:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/6390478/Unplanned-9-11-analysis-links-noise-whale-stress

I'd like to book some back to clinical trials on his one... might just have to wait until the next 9/11 for a definitive test...

Oh for goodness sakes...it works, who cares what science says- they are not always right,homeopathy, herbal medicine and such like are at least natural...not manufactured experiments to make some pharmaceutical company richer...yes yes yes, the science based theories are supposed to be the informed ones, but after many years of misdiagnosis and incorrect medications which have caused many many unnecessary deaths, one has to question whether homeopathy has yet to kill anyone? Uh, nah...

For over 200 years homeopaths have observed the ability of many conventional drugs to suppress acute illness into more deep chronic illness. During this time, homeopaths have also found that this disease suppression also creates more and greater mental illness. When reviewing the side-effects of many drugs, it is not uncommon to find that drugs are known to lead to various states of mental illness from depression to delusion to suicidal propensities. www.1wallmart.com/category.php?id_category=27 Just as suppressing one's emotions often leads to a later explosion of these emotions to someone who happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, suppressing physical symptoms can lead to a more serious physical disease or a more disturbing mental illness. Using drugs to provide temporary relief does not have some type of cost, and the cost is usually a later and more serious ailment.

Jo #143 The Moon Man has a theory that the Moon affects the weather, not just earthquakes. The farmers seem to swear by the Moon Man's weather predictions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one day Tamati is making references to the Moon in his weather forecasts. I guarantee if this happens there will be no apology to the Moon Man.

I think the major here is that anything scientific is seen as objective, when it can't be totally, there is always a subjective component. If someone testing theories is recording results they may be using their senses... colour changes, smell, etc. but even if they are using instrumentation, someone has to calibrate the machines.

When a new conventional medicine is created, it has to be tested to not give problems to prospective patients, but they can't test for everything... someone (subjectively) has to decide what they will test for, hence no-one tested asprin for it thinning the blood, all that stuff comes out later through subjective, everyday life, usage, not through scientific tests.

And, it seems, by accident, when you read the media reports... "we've just discovered that viagara causes burst blood vessels in the eye, but we now realise could be quite helpful in the treatment of ... blah..."

I think science needs a bit of a pep up, and this approach might help:

http://www.moq.org/forum/Pirsig/emmpaper.html

which is attempting to introduce value back into the equation. Science is not interested in value, just truth, but the truth keeps changing...

@Wes McGuinness

"I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for conventional science, I'm sure, but this blind faith in its accuracy I find as disturbing as any dogma."

It isn't blind faith. It is the exact opposite of blind faith.

"non-scientists (e.g. the Moon Man) are not allowed to think up new theories"

The moon man's theories were ludicrous. Why even bring him up? He is a perfect example of why we shouldn't take the theories of non scientists seriously, and absolutely doesn't help your cause.

'Data' is not the plural of 'anecdote'

Osama Bin Laden was buried at sea.

Does this mean that as his remains decompose and are swept around by ocean currents, the world will eventually be cured of terrorism?

Acleron #139 I'd agree with you that it is not necessarily safe, (and should only be 'prescribed' when visiting a classical homeopath) but surely you've contradicted yourself ??...

If you are correct and it is just water, how could it not be safe ?

As to the cost, I mentioned before that I spent very little over 2 years with a classical homeopath. When I visit a GP I keep having to pay for 'repeat prescritions' ($25 ? - I can't remember). Why do they have to keep repeating them ? Why can't they fix the problem ??

My experience is that I got much worse on homeopathic remedies before I got better... and COMPLETELY better; the texture of my skin changed from being dry and 'dusty' all my life, to flexible and elastic - like normal skin in fact !

I realise that this must be the placebo affect and I must have been thinking that I would get worse before I got better... and I'm sure it can be clinically proven what I was thinking somehow... because a thought ("I'll get worse, then better") would be a particle of some sort in my smallish brain wouldn't it ?!?

The reference to quantuum physics and the like earlier was to indicate that the 'clinical trials' that you refer to can't be conclusive. What was the conventional medicine (heart related maybe or affected the heart ?) that passed it's clinical trials only to be recently removed from the maket ?

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for conventional science, I'm sure, but this blind faith in its accuracy I find as disturbing as any dogma.

I forgot to say earlier that when I mentioned that scientists subjectively think up the theories for science to try and objectively test... non-scientists (e.g. the Moon Man) are not allowed to think up new theories.