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Drink-spiking not a myth - NZ experts

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Last updated 13:23 04/11/2009

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New Zealand experts are disputing a British study that drink-spiking with date-rape drugs is an urban myth.

A Kent University study of more than 200 students found many women blamed the effects of a "bad night out" on date-rape drugs when they had drunk excessively.

The researchers said many young people were in "active denial" that drinking could leave them incoherent and incapacitated.

More than half of the study's respondents said they knew someone whose drink had been spiked, but the researchers said police had found no evidence that rape victims were commonly drugged with substances like Rohypnol or GHB.

But New Zealand Rape Prevention Education director Kim McGregor dismissed the researchers' findings saying she knew of women who had been left permanently disabled as a result of date-drug spiking.

"We've been in contact with some people who have lost their voice more or less permanently. . . some have had hearing damage.

"There have been significant lifelong effects from the administering of date-rape drugs because the person who's administering it isn't particularly careful about the amount that's administered.

"Potentially it can be administered through a dosage that is particularly physically debilitating and potentially lethal."

Victoria University criminology Associate Professor Jan Jordan said while there was evidence of drinks being spiked, the "date-rape drug of choice for most perpetrators still is alcohol".

"It's that role of alcohol in sexual assault that still seems by far to be the most problematic and perpetrators actually know that just getting a woman drunk is one of the easiest ways to actually get her to say yes or to be able to ignore the fact that she hasn't said yes."

Detective Senior Sergeant Neil Holden, national coordinator for the adult sexual assault and child abuse team, said drink-spiking was a reality.

He said sexual assaults were under-reported, especially if people had difficulty remembering the details, as they would in the case of being drugged.

It was important that sexual assaults were reported, and reported early in the case of suspected drink-spiking, so drugs could be detected.

Earlier this year, Australian researchers found that none of 97 young men and women admitted to hospital over 19 months to two Perth hospitals claiming to have had their drinks spiked had in fact been drugged.

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Jon   #19   07:01 pm Nov 04 2009

nice points Jeremy & Nick - there are a lot of factors that enable the body (especially in the smaller female one) to process alcohol effectively any ANY given night.

NOT A MYTH BUT AN EASY EXCUSE 4 TOO MANY GIRLS

Claire   #18   04:13 pm Nov 04 2009

An Urban Myth?

So when my drink was spiked, and I was raped by a man a barely knew, and my bloods came back as positive for GHB, was it all pretend?! Was it all make believe?

No.

It may not be as common as drunken girls having regrets for loosing their inhibitions, but please do not refer to the ongoing nightmare of my life as an Urban Myth

scanningquietly   #17   03:46 pm Nov 04 2009

@Jeremy. Very illustrative thanks and too true, I've never heard the most outward feminist friend ever question the appropriateness of a mutual friends sexual encounter despite them being largely incoherent. Alice2. I see what you're saying, but if you could explain to me, as a male, how am I supposed to know the difference between 'enthusiastic consent' and 'clouded judgement'? Isn't all drunk activity 'clouded'?? I can't see how that could even be a moral argument, let alone a legal one. And CJ, go out to Courtney Place (or The Strip, dunno about AK) on a Saturday and just stand at a bar. I guarantee it's still very common, probably more than you realise.

jeremy   #16   03:19 pm Nov 04 2009

Alice2 #13 - wow, that's a really fine line especially when the nature of these encounters involves both parties having consumed alcohol (and presumably having judgement impaired). I don't have an issue with apportioning blame in the cases where one party is in a position to take advantage of the other's insensibility and does so, but it seems as if the responsibility and risk (for want of a better word) is solely the male's.

So, say two people, mutually attracted, one female, one male, sit down and get drunk to the point where neither can give reliable, informed consent. Naturally, their inhibitions are also eroded to the point that they have drunken, disappointing sex. By the abovementioned logic the male is automatically guilty of sexual assault as he would've been unable to gain informed consent. How can this be considered fair?

jeremy   #15   02:59 pm Nov 04 2009

'to be able to ignore the fact that she hasn't said yes' - I take exception to this.

If the explicit act of saying 'yes' is truly the test for rape, then approximately 100% of heterosexual men who've had sexual contact with a woman are rapists.

There's a difference between not saying 'Yes', and actively saying 'No'. Especially when not saying 'Yes' can mean 'Keep trying, this is kinda fun'. And before the legions of the all-men-are-rapists brigade swing into action, consider the following:

When discarded underwear is flying onto lampshades, the flatmates are putting in their earplugs and turning up the TV volume, and the special box of ribbed Trojans have made an appearance from the naughty drawer, it's kind of implied that there may be willingness on both parties - yet the consent question is seldom asked.

Does spontaneous passion really need to be interrupted mid-session for the question 'Do you consent to this encounter'?

Nick   #14   02:55 pm Nov 04 2009

People don't realise the body can't handle the same amount of alcohol all the time... So girls go out, have 4 drinks and get drunk as and then they blame it on drink spiking - get real! There isn't that many people out there that have access to these drugs. It's just for that night you're body can't handle the alcohol - if it's a REAL drink spiking, people will be unconscious (actually unconscious, not just drunk coma - you can wake people up from that EASY), they won't remember LARGE parts of the night etc. GET REAL PEOPLE!

Alice2   #13   02:50 pm Nov 04 2009

@JC, no, she's saying that getting a person drunk or picking up a drunk person & using their drunk state to enable coercion makes any sexual act assault. There's a difference between enthusiastic, though drunken, consent and giving in to someone's influence due to clouded judgement.

JC   #12   02:40 pm Nov 04 2009

This article misrepresents the study. The study says that "Widespread spiking of drinks with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB is an "urban legend" fuelled by young women unwilling to accept they have simply consumed too much alcohol"

The important word there being "widespread". In other words, drink-spiking is not as widespread a problem as is reported. It's a serious problem, but not as common as believed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

CJ   #11   02:38 pm Nov 04 2009

@scanningquietly #8

Men still buy women drinks? Damn; me and my girlfriends paying for them like chumps all these years. Where can I find these drink-buying men? In the 1960s perhaps?

Graeme   #10   02:33 pm Nov 04 2009

A very good friend of mine had her drink spiked and had her mates not been with her and noticed her not being herself then she would ahve probably been raped.

This kind of stupidty is just offensive. Some people do drink stupid amounts and then blame that but to say that it's an urban myth is just stupid.


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