Man 'too old' to drink in Wellington bar

Last updated 00:44 19/03/2008
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TOO OLD? Norman Levido, 57, has complained to the Human Rights Commission after a Wellington bouncer told him a bar was full of young people and that he should go home.

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A 57-year-old man has complained to the Human Rights Commission after a Wellington bouncer told him a bar was full of young people and that he should go home.

Artist and self-described "man about town" Norman Levido wanted a quiet beer before catching the last bus home but was turned away from student hangout The Big Kumara on February 27.

He said he was let halfway up the stairs before a second bouncer called out: "There are young people up there, you go home."

He left but took the matter to the Human Rights Commission, which has agreed to investigate.

He said he had drunk one beer at another bar and was not drunk.

"There were other people around. I feel absolutely embarrassed, humiliated and angry and wonder how many other people of my age that happens to."

He had initially only wanted an apology but he said the last straw came on Monday night when he was refused entry to The Establishment - another bar owned by Andrew Gibson's hospitality group.

He said the bouncer told him: "You know you're not allowed in here."

He wanted an apology from Mr Gibson, The Big Kumara's owner, as well as $1000 for humiliation, $1000 donated to child cancer and a $1000 bar tab so he can shout a group of his "mature" friends there for a drink.

Human Rights Commission spokesman Gilbert Wong said the bar management would be contacted for a statement.

Mediation would then be held between them and Mr Levido.

"We need to talk to all the parties to see if there are any elements of unlawful discrimination.

"Often [in such cases] there's an apology. There have been cases of compensation."

Bars had the right to exclude a person for many reasons, including dress code or conduct, but not on the basis of age, gender, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs, Mr Wong said.

Gibson Hospitality Group spokesman Jamie Wilson said it had not had to mediate a human rights complaint before and had no comment to make about the complaint.

"It's a matter between them [Human Rights Commission] and us, not for the pages of the media."

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105 comments
Leonie   #105   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

I understand where the bars are coming from with wanting to hold up a image...HOWEVER it is still very rude to refuse entry on discrimination of being too old. I've seen plenty of older generation at Estab - as long as they're not just sitting there in the corner perving or standing on the dancefloor perving.

Warron Conroy   #104   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Assuming your description of events is correct then this is clearly a breech of licencing law, and the establishment concerned should be fined for their age-ist attitude. Until such time as I see Gibson Hospitality (which name is surely a joke by now)has rectified its disgusting mistake, and insult to Mr. Levido's life I would recommend to all and sundry that we spend our money elsewhere.

jack   #103   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Because it was a student night aimed mainly at 1st years! Unless the guy was keen for a bit of 57yo on 18yo action then the bouncer did him a favour. And if he was after that then good on the bouncer for shutting the guy down

Mike Piki   #102   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

I really do feel sorry for this poor old man who just wanted a drink and was not allowed to. This is case of discrimination based on a person's age. I feel that the said establishment concerned (pub) need to compensate the concerned old man for discrimation/loss of dignity/etc.

Bob   #101   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

It is equally hilarious to spot the people who don't really understand the issues at stake.

Duncan   #100   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Seriously, this is stupid. He knowingly went into a NIGHTCLUB for a 'quiet drink'. There are tens of bars within 5 minutes walk that would've facilitated him if he'd taken the time to find one.

You can really spot the old whiners in the replies, it's hilarious. I sure as hell don't want old people in bars targeted for younger people the same way older people don't want young people making noise in a quiet place designed for the older generation. Why? It's just not cricket.

Chris Oliver from Brisbane   #99   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Its a sad day when you can't get a beer in Wellington. The Big Kumara should be renamed the Big Lemon, sour management and bouncers. Go for it Norm, you and others who have been blatantly discriminated against deserve better. If all else fails grab a six pack of XXXX and drink at Oriental Bay. It worked for me 35 years ago.

Robbie   #98   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

"Bars had the right to exclude a person for many reasons, including dress code or conduct, but not on the basis of age, gender, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs, Mr Wong said."

So bars are not allowed to deny access to under-18s any more?

boredacademic   #97   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Isn't the big K the one right next to the bus stop? Logical place for a beer if you are waiting for the last bus methinks. Also is there actually a quiet pub left in Wellington? The Establishment is crap anyway so best avoided.

Kathryn   #96   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

People are denied entrance into bars for a number of reasons, most within human rights regulations, the bar is the private property of the owner! Its not a free-for-all! The Big Kumara has the right to keep their customers happy and comfortable. Letting a 57 yr old alcoholic into the bar on the Student Halls Night of Orientation week where the bar would be full of 18yr olds would annoy 200+ customers rather than just one. Bars can't win either way.


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