Paula Bennett accused of Muldoon-style bullying

'The whole point of this was to intimidate us'

Last updated 19:23 28/07/2009
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The Labour Party intends to lay a complaint with the privacy commissioner against Social Development Minister Paula Bennett for releasing income details of two beneficiaries.

Ms Bennett released the income details of solo mothers Jennifer Johnston and Natasha Fuller after they publicly criticised the Government's decision to scrap the training incentive allowance (TIA). Ms Fuller received $715 net a week and Ms Johnston $554, Ms Bennett's office said.

Justifying the unusual action - government ministers seldom comment on individual cases - Ms Bennett said she did it to round up a one-sided story. She felt the women were misleading the public by releasing "selective information".

"I think most New Zealanders will see that actually they've been given a real fair go."

But one of the woman, Jennifer Johnston, said Ms Bennett was trying to intimidate her by releasing details of the welfare she receives.

''I think it was a very rude thing for her to do,'' Ms Johnston said.

''She's targeted me in this way and insinuated in her statements to the press that I have misled and withheld information for my own ends.''

Ms Johnston said she was very grateful for the $553.95 a week she received but it was not enough to live on and fund a tertiary education as well.

''I think the whole point of this was to intimidate us out of exercising our democratic right to protest the Government's decision,'' she said on Radio New Zealand.

''I'm not asking for a hand out. By all means make it recoverable, make it a loan, let us pay it back or increase the amount that we can apply to StudyLink for.''

Natasha Fuller said she had been ''doing really well'' and had intended becoming a teacher before her training allowance was cut.

She was also upset by the minister's actions.

''I couldn't believe someone could actually do that. I thought we had privacy laws in New Zealand,'' she said on One News.

Ms Bennett said while she had not sought the women's permission she felt they had taken the matter public by talking to the news media and writing on the internet.

Ms Bennett based her decision on guidelines on the Privacy Commission website but in Parliament she revealed she not sought legal or officials' advice.

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Privacy Commissioner Marie Shroff, in response to media queries, said ministers and departments needed to consider the Privacy Act when they released personal information.

Labour Party MP Charles Chauvel said he would lay a complaint.

Ms Shroff did not say whether she believed a breach had occurred, but would consider any complaint made.

"When an issue is raised publicly, it will often require the minister to make a careful judgment about how far he or she can go in response," Ms Shroff said.

Considering a complaint she would look at "whether the person involved had authorised a minister to talk about their case publicly, or whether their authorisation can be inferred from their statements in going public with their case".

Another consideration was whether disclosing the information directly related to the purposes for which the information was obtained.

Prime Minister John Key told reporters he was "comfortable" with the women's information being released and accepted Ms Bennett's justification.

Labour has accused Ms Bennett of using bullying Muldoon-style tactics to silence welfare policy critics.

Labour deputy leader Annette King said beneficiaries had the same rights as others and the women's concerns about training were unrelated to benefits to help them raise their kids.

Facing questioning from Mr Chauvel in Parliament, Ms Bennett said she had not sought any advice other than checking the website.

Mr Chauvel said it was disturbing Ms Bennett had not done that before releasing personal information which he said was invasive and unnecessary.

"The minister's decision was clearly not taken in good faith and I believe it breaches several of the Information Privacy Principles contained in the Privacy Act.

"Even the most basic taking of advice from officials or a lawyer would have made this clear to the minister."

Mr Chauvel said Ms Bennett's actions were "an attempt to intimidate and silence people who are disappointed the minister has allowed access to the Training Incentive Allowance for sole parents - which she herself used - to be severely curtailed".

He questioned her judgement.

Mr Chauvel, in Parliament, also suggested Ms Bennett may have got her facts wrong about what benefits the women got, asking her if she checked information provided about payments under the Child Support Act was right.

Ms Bennett said she had relied on her ministry.

"I can't present information that I do not have."

Ms Bennett confirmed she had received the TIA when a beneficiary.

"I have never made a secret of the fact I have been on and off the benefit and that I did receive the TIA.

"What I can tell those people who are looking at tertiary study is that it's not going to be easy but if they back themselves, and this Government is backing them as well, then they can get off the benefit. They may even end up a cabinet minister."

- NZPA

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if   #107   11:36 am Nov 08 2009

The way paula bennett released the information, the more that someone was preceived to be receiving the worse of financally they will be.

for example, 2 people earning $500 a week on DPB both had 2 children under 3 both had $300 rent both decide to Train to get off DPB.

One studying part time, one full time. Ms X receives 565 govt support while Ms Y receives 832 govt support. Who is better off?

For the one receiving 832 and studying full time, 325 is childcare sub getting paid by the govt straight to registered childcare provider and not to her at all, leaving 500 which she has to pay 100 (as its a sub not a full payment) to the childcare provider herself, leaving 400 with 300 rent leaves 100 for food, bills, nappies etc per week.

For the one studying part time one day a week, 65 to childcare provider leaving her 500, which she pays 20 per week to childcare provider herself, leaving her 480, 300 a week rent so leaving 180 for bills and food.

The one receiving less govt help is better off in the hand though the person receiving more is really struggling and prob getting eggs thrown at them, children being yelled at in the street etc.

Question what you hear and look into it before you jump on the bandwagon and hurl abuse at solo parents, Both women and men. (as I know a few men solo fathers they get congratulated and the women get abuse hurled at them)

Did it really give a fair argument by releasing the amount of Govt help these women got? One did have children in childcare and after school care and her subs were added on.

Jen   #106   06:43 pm Sep 11 2009

A friend of mine recieves $700 a week from the "government" for her DPB payments. Her ex-husband pays the government $900 per week in child support. There are a few people being ripped off in this situation but it's certainly not the taxpayer.

Just a thought or two   #105   09:45 pm Aug 14 2009

If I get into a housing corp, I would be on less money losing the 120 accom, BUT be better off at the end of the week. Hmmmm. Maybe if NZ want us to receive less money maybe something has to be done about the lack of Housing NZ houses. Rent is usually 300+ I'm wondering how many of these people moaning are renting to Solo parents, asking them for this amount for rent for their investment properties, and on the other demanding that our benefit get cut to under 500. Power has gone up, Food has gone up... Just a thought but who are you renting your houses too and could they continue to pay if the benefit is cut?

The ONLY thing that can be grossed up is 272.70 which is the DPB part. the other part is accom sub, family tax credits, childcare sub, which alot of NZ can get. This information can be found on WINZ website and on Working for families website if you ever wanted to check it out. People get caught on the number not the situation or high living expenses. Paula Bennett didn't release all the information to make a real judgement and said it was net which only part of it is so made it sound more than what it was. This gave her the reaction that she wanted.

What do you all get for family tax credits? I pay tax and have a right to know so fess up! Alot are over 200 a week. for 3 kids on 35000k it can be 288 per week.

Ann   #104   10:06 pm Jul 30 2009

The real issue is that every person, whether on benefits or not, has the right to voice opinion regarding government policy and changes which affect. That is actually set in law. No person should be personally attacked by a minister for raising legitimate concerns which affect a wide group of people. Nor should any right thinking person abuse their professional position to obtain personal information gained during confidential process for release to the press; for what? To score points against two women. Its unconscionable in any civilised society. Its against decency and the law! Its disgusting and its difficult to see how any decent person could not see that.

Not only does Bennett's action breach Privacy Act legislation, but the NZ Bill of Rights. Further, suffering defamatory insinuation from a government Minister and release of this information has resulted in the women being publicly mauled; this has actually breached their Human Rights.

This is the tip of the iceburg. If this behaviour is allowed, a precedent is raised which says its OK for government departments to trawl through personal records and pass information to any Minister for release to the press. Warning bells should ring. Are we to expect intimidation against any person who desents.

Paula Bennett is showing herself to be a rough, arrogant, clumsy, power hungry bully, lacking sound judgement and political finesse. At previous question times, the house has maintained a stance not to speak on specific cases. It appears she used her power to lash out without even checking the facts!

Worryingly, this woman has a portfolio that covers the most vulnerable people in this society. Any professional, in any profession of integrity would face disciplinary proceedings for this and many have been dismissed.

Finally, Bennetts actions are entirely hypercritical and betray the trust of the people. She achieved her position on the back of women who receive benefits. They voted for her because she had 'been there'. She received the portfolio probably for the same reasons.

Her smarmy comment that they might be a minister one day if they're lucky, is taunting and opens the door to examine how much support it took for her to actually achieve this. Therefore it is reasonable that information regarding her earnings whilst on benefits should be released and set against the cost of living of the day; then we can judge if its realistic on todays income for beneficiaries to have this aspiration.

drew   #103   10:00 pm Jul 29 2009

The minister should not reveal information private to an individual. What these people get is apparently appropriate to their situations. What the minister has done is to make this issue one of government credibility in the way they work with members of society. The minister has shown gross misconduct that would not be allowed in any workplace. The minister should now try to recover credibility.

Claire   #102   06:41 pm Jul 29 2009

I honestly can't believe the reaction those two women have been given by the public. I am disappointed to discover what a fatuous, small-minded, and easily diverted country we are. Arguments about what people on benefits receive aside, these two women have every right to their privacy, and to have it violated by a minister of the crown is appalling. The manner in which she did so shows us the smugness and self-righteousness so inherent in this national government. If the government had any moral decency whatsoever, then they would avoid this sort of behaviour towards people who are, at the end of the day, voters.

It is a timely reminder that we should always be vigilant against governments which allow their ministers to discredit people who criticise them. It is the first step towards totalitarianism. A small step, perhaps, but what is next.

Ms Bennett should at the least be forced to divulge how much she received from the taxpayer when she was a single mother. If she does not do so, she should be forced to resign if she hasn't got the decency to offer her resignation.

Oh, and by the way, I am a tax payer and, until recently, a full-time worker, and I am proud that our country offers a safety net for those who need it. People who are on benefits should never be made to feel guilty. How hard it is to find the motivation to better your circumstances when all around you, the self-righteous and ill-informed are judging you.

Ngaaroha   #101   06:10 pm Jul 29 2009

I have recieved the DPB for three children which was way less than Fuller and Johnston recieve My two older children have gone on to further their studies, I still recieve the DPB for my youngest child I have been studying for three years and I have never applied for the training incentive allowance cause I believe that money can be used for other worthy causes I am greatful for what I recieve while its a struggle at times I think of those worse off than myself and that soon makes me appreciate what I have. I am in my final year of my degree and I am confident that when I graduate there will be a job somewhere for me. Paula keep up the good work its people like you who will take us into a better future.

Paul   #100   04:31 pm Jul 29 2009

Surely Bennett's broken the law here. Most Govt. Employees would be in deep poo for releasing this info.

`Ms Bennett said she did it to round up a one-sided story'. Well, for the full story we need the two lady's personal info & how much there ex's contribute to child support.

I want to know who the highest paid beneficiary is, But I'm sure it's illegal for Bennett to tell me who it is.

What was this about again, ohh yeah the TIA.

Richard McGrath   #99   03:20 pm Jul 29 2009

As one of the people who is taxed to pay these parasites their benefits, I have a right to know just how much of what I'm being bled is ending up in their pockets.

corey s   #98   03:09 pm Jul 29 2009

whoo hoo. The labour supporters are out in force today!

FYI James #43. It is you who are wrong. the $712 per week IS NET. This means a GROSS income (EG BEFORE TAX for the terminally stupid) of circa $50,000. So Colin is correct and you have shown yourself an idiot. Well done on both fronts hahahahahahaaaa.


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