Boat people not NZ's issue: Goff
Should New Zealand work with Australia on the people smuggling problem?
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The Government should steer clear of discussions with Australia about a centre for asylum seekers, Labour leader Phil Goff said today.
The initiative was announced yesterday by Australia's new Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and she has talked to Prime Minister John Key about it.
Mr Key, on an official visit to South Korea, told reporters in Seoul boats being used to smuggle people were getting bigger and there was a real risk New Zealand could be targeted in future.
He said more trans-Tasman discussions would be held on a "no promises" basis, and coming up with a regional solution made sense.
"We are supportive of Australia looking for a solution, but it's also very important we lay out our bottom line - no increase in the number of refugees we would take under the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees) process," he said.
"What I've said to the Australian prime minister is that we recognise there is a problem, and we recognise that from New Zealand's perspective it's a problem that is coming towards our shores at some point in the future."
Mr Key said that from all the intelligence he had received, this was "a real issue".
"We are not going to all of a sudden open our doors for a lot more refugees...but if there's a way of working this through, let's have this discussion."
Mr Goff said there was "an outside chance" that boat people could try to reach New Zealand but he doubted that would happen.
"I've read the intelligence reports for nine years on this - you can't absolutely rule out the prospects of a boat reaching New Zealand but overwhelmingly we know the people smugglers are interested in Australia as a destination," he said on Radio New Zealand.
"If you look at the 75 boats that have been intercepted so far this year, they've all been off the coast of Western Australia."
Mr Goff said it would be unwise for the Government to become involved in an intensely political debate that was going on in Australia in the lead up to an election.
"That is very rarely an environment in which good decisions will be made for the long-term future."
Ms Gillard has also talked to East Timor's President Jose Ramos-Horta about the possibility of setting up the centre in his country.
Mr Goff said East Timor was dealing with the problem of 100,000 internally displaced people.
"Why we should load this problem onto them I just can't understand," he said.
The Green Party also doubts New Zealand will become a destination for boat people from unstable countries.
Immigration spokesman Keith Locke said last night the distance they would have to travel in rough seas meant it was unrealistic for them to head here.
He was dubious about the prospect of the initiative providing an effective solution, considering a similar approach had been taken several years ago on the island of Nauru under the John Howard government.
"That was a big flop and caused great problems for asylum seekers," he said.
- NZPA
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@Max
Tell me, out of the 82000 you say settled in NZ how many didn't have a means to support themselves? (And please don't include children into this figure) I can (almost) guarantee you that none of them were given residency / citizenship without first of all being able to prove that they could pay their own way. There is a pretty big difference between them and boat people. You should be running for government with the way that you are trying to twist and mutate the statistics to get your message across.
No one wants to see these 'boat' people harmed. But NZ just doesn't have the resources (human or otherwise) or infrastructure to take these guys in, especially the numbers being touted around.
So please don't call me bigoted. I'm not. I'm just trying to be realistic about what this would actually entail, and how it would personally impact on me as a taxpayer. I'm not trying to convince people to my side of the argument through throwing out statistics that actually have little relevance to the debate.
Passionate about what you believe = good. Calling people names, and then using irrelevant evidence as the basis of your justification of said name calling, = bad.
@Max # 54, FYI The entire EU (thats 27 countries by the way) took in approx 6,700 refugees out of a total of 3.5 MILLION immigrants in 2009. Thats 0.19% compared to NZ's .91% http://www.unhcr.org/4bf1619c6.html
Though we are probably behind the USA in refugee admissions (and possibly Aust. as well) we are certainly well above most other nations. Having limits ensures that the country is able to keep the economy going as until they learn English these 750 people and their families are not exactly going to be paying taxes now are they?
Honestly the risk reward for 'boat' people to sail here is far too much, even for them. They may as well sail to America. Bhodi was right in the film Point Break (even though those coppers had lame australian accents)
We have enough problems of our own in new zealand without borrowing some of australias problems.How generous of john keys to spend more of our tax dollars to suck up to australia. I am not against helping legitimate refugees, but these people are breaking the laws and protocals of the countries they land in,or hoping to sneak in illegaly,or hoping to play on the sympathy of the legal residents,none of which make them suitable emigrants. hard line is the only option send them all back without exception then they will stop coming.
Who is Phil Goff?
I'm all for giving someone a second chance. but they really need to toughen deportation laws and require immigrants to have a job. When you give someone a second chance and they spit in your face by way of crime and welfare you have to send them packing.
Furthermore to all the biggots here. Last year we had 82,000 people settle in New Zealand permanently from overseas. Compare that with the 750, yes 750 refugees we let in under our quota. Thats 0.91% of the migrants coming to NZ.
To paraphrase Point Break "They're not going to paddle all the way to New Zealand"
Julia Gillard wants to turn NZ into Australias Alcatraz ... they have lots of experience as a penal colony?
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I agree with #19