Henry bemused by debate over scrums

As john Macenro would say 'you must be kidding? 7 man scrub to their 8!!! and rookies at that too give me a rooky AB forward pack any day. As for that 'O' for Awesome Aussie pack. i've seen Jelly with more backbone. It was great to see both teams trying to play open positive rugga. [alas England will be their boring self]. So good bye to the Brave Hearted Scots bring on the rest. go AB's

Er...settle down guys..im a lifelong All Black fan and spent twenty odd years in the front row. All im saying is that there appears to be a problem in the All Black front row (esp at tighthead with the disappearance of Hayman from the scene)..trust me guys, as a former hooker I watch the scrums pretty closely and we just havn't had the same grunt up front this season. To me, it just smacks of arrogance from Henry to continually fail to acknowledge that such a problem exist and blame the ref etc Call me a moron if you will but i'm just making an unbiased observation that our front row ain't as strong as it used to be!!!!

Clearly you know nothing about rugby - umm, let me think - seven against eight players in the scrum??? hmmm . . .

The scrums were collapsing the whole game anyway so a mismatch will exacerbate that.

AND, since when did a team actively seek to spend that much time 5m from their own try line?

Now for the easy part . . .if you want to start commenting about the 3N scrum statistics - there were exponentially more scrum collapses in all the games game involving Australis then in all of the games not involving OZ

Something has to be done about collapsing it is blight on the game. Notice the crowd booing at the collapses. One thing that can be done straight away is that when the scrum collapses it is treated just the same as tackle ball with the ball on the ground then the game can proceed. Repacking scrums when the ball is hooked is ridiculous.

Well gentlemen, This really is a passionate debate. I was at the "G" last year to watch the all blacks take on our boys. The All Blacks dominance at scrum time was compelling but thankfully the ref didn't see it that way. It was clear to see the wallabies were inconsistent and weak on the engagement, mat dunning seemed more interested in eating turf than binding a scrum. Good enough reason to penalize the All Black's.

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The answers above state it all. my guess is you're a deans fan.

As a ref i can tell you that barnes was a big contributer with his slow calls. It is the way he likes to do it.

I believe Mcintosh was accurate with his assessment that sometimes he and sometimes them.

Yep, delayed put in's, pushing before ball comes in, binding, ref thinking he is scrum coach again, crouch......touuuuch.........paaaauuuuuuuuseeee......engaaaggee......collapse.....

Anyhow Hadden's comments are a bit rich considering the ABs bulldozed Scotland in a few scrums later on, admittedly after Tialata came on, winning a few tightheads.

#1 - Shame Tialata was only on for about 20 mins.

You are a moron who knows less about rugby than that @#$% who writes for the Times in England.

Cr*p,with a seven man scrum ,untold opportunities and all the possession they still couldnt cross the line.Half back not only delaying the put in , what about the free taps never taken on the line.This is IRB country there playing in,expect more to come.

Mike you're talking b@#$%^s.

As any prop knows, the key to a good scrum is a straight back and a good bind on your opposite. I don't think you can sit there and accuse either side of crooked backs, so you look at the binding of their free arms and more often than not it was the Scots who were dropping theirs.

The problem with scrum debate is everything is based on player reputation. From a televised perspective it is impossible to know what's truly going on in a scrum, so everyone assumes it must be the prop with the lesser reputation causing the collapse.

Wake up you poor fool.