All Blacks cop it in vitriolic Irish column

Last updated 08:02 11/11/2008

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The All Blacks have been ''welcomed'' to Ireland as an unpopular team whose perennial World Cup failures puts a grin on the rugby world's face.

The Irish Independent's Vincent Hogan, who may just despise New Zealand and the All Blacks more than Wales' Stephen Jones, went for the jugular ahead of Sunday's test against Ireland.

In a column that was at times accurate, often vitriolic and occasionally very witty, Hogan admitted he was "not a fan" of the All Blacks, their haka, or coach Graham Henry.

Hogan, who covered the 1987 World Cup in New Zealand and was delighted it was the only title the All Blacks have won (which is still one more than Ireland), reckoned they were universally unpopular.

"Outside their own, few people love the All Blacks. Their victories are, by and large, statements of power.

"They smash teams; then run a bus over the bodies. They play through a vaguely malignant strain of intimidation.

"So seeing them get nailed is one of rugby's great redemptive offerings. It's like watching the school ruffian pick the wrong fight and end up with a nosebleed."

It's creative stuff by Hogan, who gained notoriety at the 1991 World Cup for saying the All Blacks had the "gaiety of gravediggers".

But it also ignores a couple of salient points. The main one is that outside the cataclysmic World Cup failures the All Blacks are still the best team in the world.

They dominate the Tri-Nations and have little to fear away from Twickenham when they travel to Ireland and Britain.

It is perhaps why New Zealanders are propping the game up in Europe.

Call the All Blacks as many names as you like - and they can be smug and superior - but they are also incredibly successful.

Under Henry they have lost only once to a European side - that dreadful match against France in last year's World Cup quarterfinal.

That is unlikely to change at Croke Park on Sunday.

As Hogan admitted himself, when the All Blacks look at Ireland they see "lifelong losers". 

What else is there to see?

Since 1905 the All Blacks have played Ireland 21 times.  The closest Ireland have got to victory was a 10-10 draw in 1973. Munster have a better record than that.

Ireland, like Wales and Scotland, take heart from close defeats, an attitude that's anathema to the All Blacks, which is perhaps why Hogan doesn't like them.

"The bullying gene in their rugby DNA practically froths and bubbles at the threat of losing to opposition of our calibre," he fumed.

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Sorry, where was the threat again?

Ireland lost by 10 points in terrible conditions in Wellington in June, and were beaten by the same margin, and 11 points, when rotation was at its peak in 2006.

When the All Blacks were last in Dublin they thrashed Ireland 45-7 with a starting XV that was completely different to the side that beat Wales 41-3.

If that's a threat then U2 are an English boy-band.

Hogan also attacked the haka as a "leery war dance" that should be banned and claimed the "dour, hubristic and adversarial" Henry epitomised the team he coached.

It was entertaining stuff, but Hogan hit on the nub of the Irish problem when he suggested they pay the All Blacks too much respect.

They certainly do, as do the Welsh and Scots. They are so in awe of the All Blacks depth, pace and power that they routinely talk themselves out of victory before the test even starts.

As Hogan said, the day that changes and the All Blacks lose to Ireland "is the day a group of men in black prepare to go home in ankle-chains".

What do you think of Vincent Hogan's complaints about the All Blacks? Sour grapes anyone? Post your comments below.

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209 comments
Darach Cassidy   #209   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Being an Irish man and having spent a considerable amount of time in nz, I would like to apologise on behalf of the country for the childish comments of Mr. Hogan. He should seriously think of a change of career and start writing about school girl hockey.

Clown Face   #208   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

One irrelevant article in a thinly disguised tabloid and the whole of New Zealand is throwing its toys out of the pram!

Vincent Hogan is a complete clown, his paper is a rag and if you want a true reflection on how the Irish view not only New Zealand as a country and her people but the All Blacks as well, read literally any other Irish paper, which show nothing other than absolute respect and a genuine fondness for all things Kiwi. In fact, read any other article in the Irish Independent and it will show nothing but respect.

But fock me, you lads can turn on the water works. It's not like the dude said you were rubbish at rugby, he tacitly acknowledged that you're brilliant at it. Read what your papers have said about Irish players and Ireland in general - do we give two shlts? Of course not, because they're penned by a hack trying to justify his existence.

So stop whinging.

JD   #207   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

I do believe the confidence has become clear whenever the Kiwi's roll into town. Is it unjust? NO WAY! They are the envy of all other rugby nations.

Try to pick a world 15. How many NZ players are there?

Do they sell out more stadiums than any other team - probably - Why? It is because they are the best and that is just the way it is.

What would I prefer to see - Ireland kick the snot out of NZ or beat England for the Grand Slam? BEAT ENGLAND EVERY TIME!

We should be glad of the expeirnce Ireland get when the Southern teams grace us with the skill, ability and knowledge, not mock and try to antagonise them or their fans!

True Irish fan - Lover of great rugby!

Looking forward to tomorrow

Michael   #206   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

The Irish rugby fan has the greatest respect for the AB's. They are the team to be beating and it's an honour for any player to play against them. Don't take the views of one man to represent the opinions of Irish rugby.

Dave   #205   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Well done Jon, brand ALL Irish people based on the opinion of 1 person.

If I was to use your mentality well then I could say that all Kiwi's are narrow minded, niave, fools.

Thankfully I'm not an idiot.

Derek   #204   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

To all the snide comments from NZ supporters :

I am sure Ireland would be as good as NZ if we went around poaching the best players from the Pacific Islands!

At least we dont have a team of mercernaries.

Sean   #203   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

It all sounded pretty accurate to me. Arrogant lads who are very good at rugby. Who think they have to turn up to win. They usually get what they deserve...which is they win a lot, and then get spanked for over complacency once in a while

Andy   #202   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it doesn't really read to me like an attack, much less a vitriolic one, on NZ. Irlenad are life long losers versus a team that can literally smash their way through everybody except, on those puzzling once-in-every-4-year off days, that always cost NZ dear. More like grudging respect to me???

Lee   #201   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

There was one in 1991 and Australia won it...good try.

peter   #200   05:26 pm Jan 28 2009

What kind of person is Hogan.he should be sacked for being so horrible with his snide views.All Blacks deserve to win after these views.


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