Do the Black Caps really get paid for playing like this?

Ingram needs to go. He gets to found out be the Ausralian attack. Jesse Ryder needs to get fit because he has a spot waiting for him opening in ODI's and at number 6 in tests. We also have to play 4 bowlers in tests because we are not a good enough batting team with 5 specialist batsmen. My line up would be ODI: McCullum, Ryder, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, Broom, Styris Vettori, Tuffey, Bond, Southee

Test: McIntosh, Watling, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, Ryder, McCullum, Vettori, TUffey, Southee, Martin

All your players are 'soft'. Thats why you cant ever go the distance and thats why the crappy trophy stays in our cabinet for another 12 months. Vettori thinks his batsmen are 'soft' now? Hell lets wait and see how he views them after you are torn apart in the two tests.

Who's got the aggression required to take on the Aussies? Jesse Ryder, probably. The saddest thing about yesterday's game is that the Aussies didn't have to do anything special to get our boys out. We had the chance to get into a winning position, and we blew it, rather than them taking it away from us.

To be fair, franklin is an average bastmen and doesnt really bowl anymore soo why is here there? i cant see him making a big score anytime soon. agree with williamson, that kid has promise. While southee has lost it completly....

brian young haha. his average in odis was 24.52 and in tests 31.78, he was hardly a top player.

i do agree that taylor etc arent as good as made out. but they have it in them to be. just a bit of common sense is needed. they are both very talented

Thankfully someone has woken up to what I have long been saying

McCullum and Taylor are not the wonder players some people make them out to be. While they are capable of the odd good innings the likes of McCullum and Ross Taylor wouldn't hold a candle to some of the past greats such as NZ opener Bryan Young. Young had a test high-score of 267* which is vastly superior to those of Mcullum (185), Taylor (154) and even Tendulkar (248*). Hard to argue with that!

i pretty much agree nick.

i also think redmond should be in he team. he didnt get much of a go and i reckon he looked pretty good. certainly better than franklin who needs to be dropped and never brought back. im glad they are not selecting sinclair. hes had more goes than anyone and never does well

I think it may be time to give Kane Williamson a go. People say he's too young, but he is THE form player of New Zealand cricket coming off the MVP of the domestic one-day competition and 170 in his last at bat why not give him the chance.

And also why do New Zealand pick players in the one dayers if they are doing well in 4-day competition. Incidentally I see Shannan Stewart was 17th in the MVP rankings over 120 points behind Williamson.

Form in one form of the game doesn't guarantee form in the other forms. Look at the Australian teams for all forms are different.

Anyway my line up would be: McCullum, Guptil, Williamson, Taylor, Stewart, Styris, Vettori, 'Hopkins'(not a fan), Tuffey, Bond, Southee

Nothing new here. If they played with 10% of the heart the All Blacks do the Black Caps would have a chance every game. It doesn't happen though because they're not hard enough. Infact most of out top order batsman since Bruce Edgar & John Wright have been nothing but spineless. And that's a FACT.