You must be joking I think you were watching to Pommies ha ha The All BLacks didn't go for a drop goal in the 07 game because they have a committment to running rugby and tradition. And myself and all the other Henry fans like Rugby nut and All Whether Supporter commend them for it. Look at the IRB website page I think you will find New Zealand are top of the rankings for both Sevens and Fifteens this makes them world champions in my book not some stupid rigged world cup that can be won by a fluke.

Henry for PM you obviously didn't read my last post properly. I never said we kick dropped goals to win games, what I said was (even though it's rare) we have used the dropped goal option during games in the past to accumulate points.

I get a real kick out of you continuously resorting to the "it's the ref's fault!" line. Sure, he may have been scouring the pitch looking for his lost contact lenses and forgot that there was a game on, but if our team was really as massively great as you believe, we should've still been able to beat France despite the bumbling buffoonery shown by the officials on that fateful night. Perhaps the logical conclusion to this debate is that we were simply beaten by the better team on the night. As much as it pains me to say it, we got our tactics wrong very badly and deserved to lose.

But 2011 is approaching and we must learn from our past World Cup capitulations if we seriously want to win it in our own backyard.

Henry for PM

They tried in the 2007 WC quarter, and just last year against Aussies (just from memory). Fluffed it both times. NZ aren't 7's champs are they? I would go on, but really your incredible ability to exaggerate, combined with a complete lack consideration for actual facts about your team is astounding. So really, you're just having a joke aren't you? No one can be this narrow minded.

GO on name one time that the All BLacks have ever one a test match by kicking a pommie drop goal? Ali Williams said in an interview on stuff that The All BLacks have never resorted to a drop goal to win a match and I think he knows more about rugby than you guys. The 2007 world cup team was ranked the greatest attacking team ever and its b side was rated good enough to win the cup. If you dont know that the ref cheated them out of 16 penalties and 50 points against France then you have been living under a rock the ref was the only reason we lost the Pommies and the Sprinkboks would have been murdered by Henrys men . As for these people claiming that the All BLacks used to pay boring rugby they dont know there history NZ have always been famous for their running game this is partly why we are always sevens world champions. The world cup is ours in 2011! Dont even bother turning up pommies and South Africans ha ha we will win the final by 50 points

Henry for PM, where on Earth are you getting your facts from??? The All Blacks were not 20 points better than France in the WCQF were they? And yes, the All Blacks do kick dropped goals, however rare they are.

You say that we never see any 6 Nations games where one team scores more than 20 points. Rightyho mate. The games may not have many tries, but those fans up there don't seem to care a lot. Perhaps it's because they don't use the 4pts for a win, 1pt for scoring 4 tries and 1 pt for losing by less than 7pts scoring system.

You also seem far too overconfident in our team, saying 17-18 months out from the WC Final that we have already got it in the bag. You sound like some of the people who thought that we were gonna cruise through the 2007 tournament and come back with the World Cup without breaking a sweat. What 2007 did prove to us is that we cannot think like that, as 2007 showed how the knockout stages are a level playing field.

Henry for PM

Very funny. You've taught me a lesson in suffering fools. Never again.

But since i'm here and I can't resist one last jab:

Of course we've seen and will see in the future, many all black going for drop goals. There were some thrilling ones over the weekend by the way.

AB's amazing results last year which apparantly speak for themselves include being whitewashed by the South Africans and, losing to the french in Dunners. It was a good year, but be very worried if you're willing to let those results speak for the AB's.

That is all.

Gregornz- Nz will win a world cup the next one at home! I can't see how with the mastercoach Graham Henry in charge and a squad that loads of time to prepare and recondition they could possibly lose. Bear in mind that they were at least twenty to thirty points better than any team at the last world cup and the results of the last tour prove that they are only getting better and the mighty men in black look pretty invincible to me. Aawe- I dont have to pick battles as you call it the results of the All BLacks and the irb world rankings speak for themselves and as for the drop goal ha ha you will NEVER see and All BLack take a drop goal. Bronson- you are dead right the win over the Froggies was rated as the international performance of the year and showed those useless northern hemisphere teams how rugby has always been played in mighty NZ. You will never seee a six nations match with a scoreline over even twenty points

Bit rich considering we just saw a nine try feast in the republic...

Sun Tzu said "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself". The Springboks didn't kick penalty goals cause they wanted to, it was because the all blecks made them, by slowing the ball down and illegal play. The reason they put up the high ball was because they knew that non of the All blecks could'nt actually catch a high ball eg. sivivatu, rokokoko?

the Springboks line out was so dominant that they stole every alll blek ball in the first half, the reason the Springboks were so dominant in the Tri-Nations was because of there experience,they are the most highly capped Rugby team in the World, with more than 850 caps every time they take to the field. In 2009 SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY TEAMS won every trophy they could win in the Southern Hemisphere! Lions Tour, Super 14, mandela plate, freedom cup,and TRI NATIONS. BORING RUGBY? THE SPRINGBOKS scored the most tries in the Rugby World Cup, and beat the All Bleks 3 TIMES IN A ROW in the tri nations no team has ever done that in the history of world ruby. The Rules of rugby have been same for more than a hundred years, the all Bleks couldn't run the ball because every time they did they knocked it on eg. NOONU. they didnt have the skills to play there free flowing rugby!!!!!

Did any body watch the Super 14 Final!! The Bulls Thrashed the Chiefs BY 60!!!!Points!!! and scored 8 tries!!! That was the best Free flowing Rugby ive ever had the pleasure of watching. If u Kiwis love ur style of "Free Flowing Rugby" why are ur stadiums so empty??? Is it because all of u are in Australia??? SOUTH AFRICA had the highest attendance Rates per Game Than Australia and New zealand combined!!!

In 2009 the Springboks and Bulls were to strong and to classy for there trans tasmin rivals. After watching the first game of the 2010 Super 14 Blues vs Hurricanes to day wat a boring game! Weepu kicked 9 penalties thats a bloody record!!!! Where is this free flowing rugby rubbish u kiwis are moaning about? ??????

Sorry chaps got my looseheads and tightheads mixed up there ... but you get the point