Haka losing respect - Springboks coach

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Last updated 05:00 19/09/2011
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LOSING INTENSITY?: The haka is being cheapened by overuse, claims Springboks coach Peter de Villiers.

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The haka is in danger of losing respect because it is performed too often, Springboks coach Peter de Villiers says.

Amid torrential rain, the outspoken rugby coach was welcomed to Opotaka, said to be the birthplace of Ka Mate, yesterday by Lake Taupo iwi Ngati Tuwharetoa.

De Villiers and the 70-strong Springbok touring party were given a rousing welcome in pouring rain by 50 Tuwharetoa warriors performing the famous haka, said to be composed by Te Rauparaha 200 years ago as he sought shelter from a war party.

"It has new meaning to me now," de Villiers said afterwards.

"We understand where it originated from and we understand it brings something deep down out of people who know what it is all about.

"For me, about the World Cup especially, there is too many haka around. It is unique to me, and it is losing its intensity – but that is only me.

"People are becoming so used to it, it is not a novelty anymore and they don't respect it."

When performed as it was when the defending world champs were welcomed to Opotaka, it had immense value – but that was cheapened by overuse in sports scenarios.

"Today, it was really deep down and you could feel everybody was part of it, you could understand why they do it."

Flash mob haka have been a feature of the Rugby World Cup so far, including one at Sylvia Park in Auckland that has scored hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube, and performances in Wellington's Lambton Quay and outside Te Papa.

In Australia, senior constable Rangi Joseph – a New Zealander – was disciplined after he joined a flash mob haka at a Surfer's Paradise shopping mall while on duty.

Ngati Toa has staged an interactive haka exhibition at Te Papa explaining the inception of Ka Mate, and this year signed a confidential agreement with the New Zealand Rugby Union allowing the All Blacks to continue performing its haka.

Ngati Toa spokeswoman Jennie Smeaton told The Dominion Post she thought the increase in the haka being performed, both locally and internationally, was brilliant and "awesome" because it was identified as uniquely Kiwi.

She did not agree the haka was suffering from over-exposure.

"He [De Villiers] likes to make controversial statements, we all know that.

"I think a comment like that is someone who has a lack of understanding or just doesn't know.

"Maybe he doesn't want it done because it's intimidating.

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"Perhaps that's something the South Africans might like to embrace on their own, use some of their African culture."

Springboks winger Bryan Habana said he had a lot more respect for the haka after yesterday.

"It's great to see what the real meaning of the haka is to the community."

- © Fairfax NZ News

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Proud Kiwi   #322   10:01 am Sep 21 2011

What a rude arrogant statement from the Springboks coach. How dare he be so rude as a guest in our country. Lets not perform the Haka for him ever again, in case he gets bored to death. If I'm a guest in a country that goes to the trouble of putting on a special traditional welcome, do you think I'm going to be rude and complain? No way, I will always respect another country's culture no matter how many times I see it. Perhaps a streak of jealousy creeping in here, they see how much the Haka stirs up the NZ pride in our own country, and perhaps they wish they had something similar? Long live the NZ Maori Haka, it is part of our culture and we can't get enough of it! Go the All Blacks!!

Warren   #321   08:24 pm Sep 20 2011

As a SA supporter I think it important to point out that in no way is PDV saying the haka is out of place or does not belong (often you hear the poms say that). He is actually is a sense saying South Africa and particularly South african rugby hold the haka in high esteem and that the constant repeating thereof is making it lose it's aura. In a sense it is a compliment to the haka.

The last thing you want is that by the time SA play NZ, the haka is dismissed due to repetitiveness thorughout NZ by the Springboks. We respect it .. we love it. And yeah PdV is a bit of a clown .. but read deeper and he actually is complimenting the haka. Dont overdue it lads ... it belongs on the rugby field and a Springbok team belongs opposite it.

si   #320   07:48 am Sep 20 2011

The Haka has become a little bit cliched, and it's meaning lost. I think in it's proper use, as a challenge, it has it's place. Unfortunately people have a habbit of breaking out a Haka for any reason. Just look back at the Melbourne Commonwealth Games, NZ athletes had to merely turn up for an event and they would get a Haka from other Kiwis near by.

Yes it is overdone, and by overdoing it you cheapen it.

gplusa   #319   07:25 am Sep 20 2011

Classic comments telling people to go home if they don't like the haka. Some people really don't think very hard before bursting into print. 90% of all hakas performed these days are purely for the benefit of overseas people. 99% in the case of the RWC. You can't move through an international airport without tripping over a flash mob or 3. Why is it being done ? To try and make NZ a more attractive place for overseas people to move to. So we can make more money out of them. There are no hakas greeting NZers stepping off from domestic flights. We're telling people to leave if they don't like hakas and yet we're shoving it continuously in their faces expressly to capture them. Maybe it's time we started listening to our audience ?

Geckomayhem   #318   01:37 am Sep 20 2011

Hmmm, 300+ comments, so I'm sure someone will have already mentioned this, but the haka was never done so that the other team would respect ours; it is done as a challenge and as our hallmark. Guess the Springboks' coach totally misses the point, eh. It doesn't matter how often it is done: it is the All Blacks' signature. Where the problem at, yo?

Mind you, an update to the haka wouldn't be so bad. So long as it is warrior-like and has all that power and energy behind it. ;D

Jim   #317   12:13 am Sep 20 2011

@Marc AB from SA. Stop whining! Your high pitched voice is deafening.

kiwibird   #316   12:02 am Sep 20 2011

I am soo over other countries going on about the haka-it's always the countries that don't have one!...what more can I say?- their attitude speaks volumes-get over yourself PD, don't come here and complain you- are a guest, keep your thoughts to yourself and whinge in your sleep. I didn't like those noisey things at the soccer world cup but understood it wasn't my country or culture-you are acting very rudely.

GRB   #315   10:59 pm Sep 19 2011

Everybody here is correct it is called free speach if people don't like the haka deal with it and move on its like saying everyone has to like the colour blue. If you don't like the haka don't watch it go and grab a beer while they do it but people have the right to do a haka if they so wish.

There are however some very misguided people out there especially the ones who think PDV is white. Also Kamate does not belong to Maori it belongs to a particular Maori tribe. The haka is also not part of New Zealand culture it is part of Maori culture and other Island nations.

You are never going to get rid of the haka but you sure as hell arn't going to get everyone to like it either get over it people.

DoctorD   #314   10:58 pm Sep 19 2011

I don't understand why the crowd doesn't do the haka with the team? With Weepu or whoever leading thousands of people how amazing and intimidating would that be for the opposition? Sort of like the chanting from the fans in other sports.

Sprint   #313   10:49 pm Sep 19 2011

When I saw gold and silver swimming medallists courteousley wait for a haka to be performed for the kiwi bronze medallist at the olympic games a few years ago, I remember thinking its magic may have a use-by date. Each time I see it now it seems to reek more aggression, more intimidation, whilst losing its spiritual and cultural meaning. I'm all for passion, which I think the haka represents, but I sense that's being lost through over-use and replaced with rage.

And yes, stay behind the line Ali.....


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