All Black friends could become foes at World Cup

BY DUNCAN JOHNSTONE
Last updated 10:48 02/12/2009
Doug Howlett
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DON'T DO IT DOUGIE! Former All Blacks Doug Howlett, Sam Tuitupou, Sione Lauaki and Saimone Taumoepeau would all come into the frame for Tonga after the IRB vote.

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Rugby's landscape could change significantly if the IRB approves new eligibility rules that would allow former internationals to play for a second country.

The IRB will vote on the on the motion in Dublin tonight and it could have major ramifications to the World Cup and particularly New Zealand and Pacific islands nations.

The IRB is being asked to consider allowing players to move into another national team after a 12-month stand down period.

That would certainly allow rugby to strengthen its second tier of teams although it wouldn't want to fall into rugby league's loose rules around World Cup eligibility.

But it could significantly boost teams like Samoa, Tonga and Fiji who lose many players to the All Blacks.

If the vote is passed - it needs a 75% majority and it seems there is growing support - it could see the All Blacks lining out against some familiar faces for their World Cup pool match with Tonga in 2011.

Former All Blacks Doug Howlett, Sam Tuitupou, Sione Lauaki and Saimone Taumoepeau would all come into the frame for Tonga.

Samoa could be boosted by the likes of Jerry Collins, Chris Masoe, Sosene Anesi and Casey Laulala.

At the moment the IRB rules are strict - once a player represents one country that's his lot for life.

The IRB are also going to look at the contentious breakdown area amidst growing criticism over the game's flow.

An England suggestion would mean the tackler would need to straddle the grounded ball carrier to contest the ball rather than being able to hang over the grounded player in a "praying mantis" position.

The IRB have blocked in the current laws to the next World Cup but can still make changes based on safety issues. England have pointed to the rising number of injuries suffered at the breakdown.

The IRB will also decide whether England and Wales can stage internationals outside the official test window next year.

England want to host New Zealand at Twickenham, with the All Blacks offered around £1m for the end of year test.

Wales want to play South Africa at the Millennium Stadium on June 5 and host a fourth test in Cardiff in November.

There is apparent opposition from France and Ireland who appear concerned at the extra finances these games are generating for their rivals.

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tongan stud   #81   12:05 am Apr 08 2010

vote yes because it would help the pacific nations . why are the all blacks so scared of losing these players when they dont even pick them for the starting line up. doug howlett,sione lauaki,sam tuitupou and rest show them your tongan and nesian pride by playing for tonga.:]:]:]

Mr M   #80   11:15 pm Dec 03 2009

This proposed new rule has a flip side that could actually starve the pacific islanders of young fresh talent. (and benefit NZ/Aus possibly UK) Consider this, as a young uncapped player you could opt to play for NZ/Aus with all the top developement training and facilities etc, knowing that you havnt jepodised your future chances of playing for the pacific island nation of birth (or decendent of)

Tongan Supporter   #79   01:23 am Dec 03 2009

I never thought that New Zealand could be so scared of being knocked out at the opening game. YES,YES, YES!!!

Pete Watson   #78   01:23 am Dec 03 2009

The falling over the ball, lying on the ball at the breakdown is easy to resolve, just ask Pinetree, Mark Shaw or Buck, feed em some steel, bring back rucking, its all to easy. Harden the game up its got way to soft.

Chris   #77   01:14 am Dec 03 2009

LEKSX : What? Mils has a Caucasian Father and a Samoan Mother... and he was born in Invercargill!!!

Josevata (Joe) Rokocoko didn't step onto his native soil (a small Fijian island separate from the mainland) until 3 years ago.

Kaino - Born in AMERICAN SAMOA... so no he couldn't play for MANU SAMOA

I think it would be a good rule to introduce, but make it longer than 1 year... that's too quick of a turnaround. If you really want it badly enough, and you're good enough, go stick it out for 3-4 years

tipo   #76   12:25 am Dec 03 2009

This law change will massively help the Pacific Island nations whose players are plundered by the All Blacks, Australian teams and the like. Imagine strong Pacific teams that wont be hammered by the All Blacks by 100 points or by the Saffies..this would create a opportunity for better games, more money involved and sponsorphip. The law change would only mean players that have played Tier 1 Nations ie All Blacks NZ sevens Junior ABs to play for Tier 2 Nations ie. Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, Japan Canada, USA. Not the other way round Tier 2 to Tier 1 or Tier 1 to Tier 1 ie. Former All Blacks to Australia or Springboks. Vote Yes and you will see Tonga defeat France in 2011 and the All Blacks winning the World Cup.

steve   #75   11:44 pm Dec 02 2009

This is a long overdue solution, and would be beneficial to ALL PLAYERS and THE GAME.

Its important to note that many of the instances that have been quoted here cannot happen for an immigration point of view i.e. you cannot simply play rugby in England for a year and then suddenly qualify to be english.

The mandatory 3 year qualifucation would still apply - this rule however will benefit those who with ancestry, dual passports etc as it should as they have links to those places (as opposed to rugby mercenaries).

Rhys   #74   11:06 pm Dec 02 2009

No way - what about the millions of dollars we spend developing these players into anything close to world standard, just for them to jump on the world cup bandwagon for anyone that will give them a game. If they want to play for the Islands so much, then why didn't they pick to play for them in the first place?!..Just look at the joke that is international Rugby League where you can jump ship evrey two weeks..dangerous implications for the world game.

Roger   #73   09:59 pm Dec 02 2009

How about getting rid of all rules except safety ones at the breakdown. Make the ball the offside line and so long as you enter behind the ball get rid of the stupid gate you have to enter. Any amount of handling is OK whether on the ground or not. This would make the ruck or maul a real contest and take away the referees confused rulings. This will commit more forwards to the breakdown so freeing up more room out wide for the backs and create a faster more entertaining game which people can understand whats going on.

Valleyboy   #72   09:57 pm Dec 02 2009

Cairdy #45 - that's a good point about England and France strenghtening their playing rosters. We've already seen Ricky Flutey playing for england. Just think of all the kiwi talent they could harness. Knowing the IRB, who're all based in England as far as I've heard, that's what they'll be planning.


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