Australia lost it's way a long time ago, (around 1999), due to some unfortunate "political" plays behind the scenes,(from players and officials- you all know who you are-go and have a coffee together on the house). Now the Wantabies are reaping what that sowed so many years ago. Firstly, the political infight causing the demise of one of the most talented and respected coaches in the game,(Yes, gone across the ditch), and then to have players positioning themselves before the game and country,(sounds like the Pomms at Gallipoli). No one to blame currently in the gamne or coaching, but there are a lot to blame for getting the Wantabies into this situation. Take a look and never let this happen again.

Joseph, Actually yeah I did play to a pretty decent rep level chump... er I mean champ. Also coached a little and even ref'd a bit. I'm by no means a pro or even a good amateur but I can certainly spot a chump when I see one.

So do you really think the Aussies were good or do you not like the truth? Every other professional Rugby commentator and ex player seems to agree, that both teams were garbage but the Aussies were simply a lot worse. Actually did you even watch the game??? Do you know the rules? Or a just just another Wallaby supporter whose memorised the names of their favorite TAH's player but can barely tell the difference between league or union?

Anyway if you'd care to explain to me your theories that A. the Wallabies were to tired or B. the Scots ARE actually better than you and you were out played, I'd love to hear them.

P.s I'd bet you'd love to trade that 2nd world cup for the AB's rugby record. I know I wouldn't trade ours to become a 2 world champ IGNORAMUS!

Niall,

I'd say the Island Teams have a load more talent and potential than the Scots. Had they the same resources, time and the ability to actually pick all their players they'd regularly flog them. Despite their gusty defence the win was only achieved by total Aussie incompetance and none of that came from Scottish pressure.

Now dont get me wrong I love the fact they won..... its just they looked so utterly hopeless doing it. Their back line looks like a heartland team. Their scrum got rolled and their loose forwards made barely an impact. To a man their ball skills are poor. Their only attacking option is to kick and they even do that poorly.

Fiji was ranked above the Scots prior to this match and the Samoans were 1 place behind them.

Scots Vs Fji 3 wins, 1 loss Scots Vs Samoa 5 wins, 1 draw Scots Vs Tonga 2 wins

hey Cam@ 27 your able to deduce all that from watching from your armchair??? Hell the finality and succinctness of your prose suggests your part of the Oz, NZ or even SA coaching set-up? You coached any rugby? played any to any significant level? One word champ IGNORAMUS! Where in your assessment do you factor players at end of season V players at beginning of season or maybe the fact on the day Scotland may just have had the wood over Oz. NZ loses and its a refereeing travesty or opposition choosing boring tactics and the rules need to be changed. Oz loses and they are in your opinion crap. So is your objectivity champ.

Never been a Giteau fan for team leadership or for flyhalf...Great individual player but I don't think is a strong thinker and has made and continues to make poor decisions...Lets remember he has been in team since 2003 WC or more so has plenty of experience but does not seem to benefit from it at all sometimes... Better to used as impact player elsewhere on the park..

Issue I see across all this is who can these young players learn from.. If Giteau is our senior backs player and cannot lead, then who is role model for younger players to learn the art?

Lets put Giteau in at fullback where he can do no harm to the attack and pick off opportunities when they present.

Just a mutual observation (as I was neutral in the debate) but it's funny... when Robbie loses and people comment on his suitability (or lack thereof) in hindsight for the All Blacks job, his supporters say "Don't judge the coach, judge the players".

But yet, when Henry's All Blacks lose, the Wobblie Deans brigade are all too fast to jump down Henry's throat? The "blame the players" argument doesn't wash for Henry, but it's ok for Deans' supporters to use?

Can't have it both ways Robbie fans.

He's a likable enough guy, and his coaching credentials certainly speak for themselves, but Aussie have gone nowhere under his tutelage. Unfortunate really, I'm all for a Kiwi succeeding whether it be here or overseas.

I never really liked Robbie Deans, but I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for him. Then I saw him singing the Australian national anthem. Whoa!

@ cam #27

to suggest that the island teams should be beating scotland more often is a bit ridiculous. Can you actually back up your statement and suggest when the last time scotland lost to an island team.

judging on that performance, i don't think scotland will be wooden spooners - tht title will surely go to the Italians.

Bit harsh on old Robbie there people. It's always easy to blame the coach, but it is even easier to blame the players. Aussies certainly played below par rugby. A one point loss is still a loss. They messed up two opportunities for tries in the second half and Giteau's kicking was atrocious. That conversion in injury time looked so easy, yet he wasn't focused. On the other hand, well done the Scots. They fought hard and their defense was spectacular. A well deserved win.

GO SCOTLAND! As a Kiwi in Edinburgh, it was a brilliant ending to the game. We were all out of our seats screaming when Giteau missed that kick. Well done!