Has it crossed anyones mind that the Wallbies threw the match and are matching even more dollars at the bookies?

The Wallabies does not have mentality and the "die for" attitude the AB's have. That's all I can say for this so called Wallabies

Re Paul 18#

Agree that rugby in Australia is struggling and is probably 4th of the winter codes, to be fair howver it has always been either 3rd or 4th given the dominance of AFL and the NRL in NSW/QLD. Rugby not being able to keep its players is nothing new as the best were poached by league since 1907 and they shouldnt buy league players anyway but invest at grassroots. One thing about Aussie rugby is that its been battered and bought out by league in Aussie for 100 years but somehow continues to punch above its weight.

Frank you must lead a very boring life,when thats the only comment you can make,i take it you are from the island where they allways choke at grand final time,or there cabinet is that full of dust as its so long since they had a trophy,(great to see southland have the(SHEILD)and canterbury are provincial champs once again,south island dominance.

Rugby is dying in Australia. The Wallabies performances are just the end result of a sick and terminal system. It is losing ground (and athletes) to all other winter codes and now runs a distant fourth to AFL, league and soccer. Once the sponsorship and TV revenues dry up in an ever more competitive market the ARU will no longer have the where with all to attract players like Tiquiri to the game or keep young players in the code. The sad thing is most Aussies couldn't care less.

Is this a case of the influential players wanting to get the coach dropped perhaps...? Dean's has made some unpopular decisions (for the players) and there had already been talk of a rift between Dean's Giteau and Mortlock before this tour. Giteau in particular has played this angle before (with Mitchell in Perth), so is it outside the realms of possibilty that it's going on again? Perhaps that's a long bow to take, but something sure is seroiusly amiss in "Team Wallaby"....(That's John O'Neills pet name for them, not mine....)

the problem is with the players....a perfect example being when Robbie tried to set up a trial match and the players demanded to be paid to play in the trial. No right minded kiwi would ever dream of asking to be paid to trial for the ABs, shows how blaise the Aussies are about the Wallabie jumper and Deans has said as much following a few of their losses At this level of rugby...and even super14 for that ,matter players must be absolutely, 100% committed to the team and their team mates....and the level of commitment is never more apparent than the last 20mins of a tough physical rugby match...this is where the Aussies are coming up short

Has robby got the balls to drop Giteau for the next match ? I doubt it.

Jordan #12 I can see your point but it is not entirely the players fault. It is the responsibility of the coach to motivate the players and he is not doing that for whatever reason. Despite what people think of Henry and Co (I haven't agreed with all their selections) they have created an environment where there is pressure from the fringe players on the main team for starting spots and this is what should be happening in Aus. Granted we have more depth then Aus but you can't tell me that with 4 Super teams they can't somehow create the same sort of pressure.

careful, we may see after this weekends french match that the problem is not with the australian team, it's with the teams in europe making considerable progress relative to south african, and yes, new zealand.......