Dying to download - part 2

Last updated 11:10 26/07/2010

torrent toonI wrote a post last week about a law being considered and the feedback on my opinions was resoundingly negative.

It made me think - did I rush over this issue? That's the last thing I want to do.

Hey, I'm not above criticism, so I thought I would revisit this to acknowledge and respond to some of the points made, and also to re-evaluate my stance on this to see if my opinion is justified.

I think it's important for everyone to remember that opinions vary.

So, I'd like to go over some of these points again and also to ask for more input on this.

It's a biggie, but I felt it was needed considering the response to my last post - which you should probably have a look over to understand the context.

My last post was a condensed version of this. Perhaps it needed to be said in full.

FAIR WARNING AND ISP COST

I get the feeling that a couple of major points may have been overlooked by some who commented, perhaps because they didn't check out the proposed legislation before making up their mind.

Alleged infringers will be warned twice before being cut off, with three weeks between each warning - a total of six weeks between first warning and account suspension.

According to new sections 122D to 122H of the bill, first comes a "detection notice"; if it continues after three weeks a "warning notice" comes and if it still continues three weeks after that the "enforcement notice" is sent.

People can reject a detection notice in the first week if they think they've done nothing wrong, and if the copyright owner doesn't challenge that rejection the whole thing goes away.

This gives users the ability to effectively call their bluff - if they have proof, the copyright owner will challenge it.

Also, the new bill (new section 122R) includes the provision for ISPs to charge the copyright owners for any work they are required to do.

So basically, you would get plenty of warning before anything gets cut off or any charges are made or anyone incurs any cost. That still seems pretty fair to me.

PRIVACY AND MONITORING

A number of commenters expressed concern that they would be monitored by their ISPs, or indeed that the whole Internet would be monitored, which is an invasion of privacy, or a presumption of guilt.

The ISP will have little to do with the actual monitoring. Standard practice is for copyright holders to engage third-party companies to investigate downloaders and sharers to log their IP addresses.

One tactic they use is to bait downloaders with torrents which they host themselves.

Once these are connected to and downloaded, the company then has the IP address of the person who connected. They use this as a record of the exchange and proof for any legal action.

I think most ISPs would be unwilling to help with monitoring unless they were required to do so by law, and lucky for them they won't have to.

There are no such requirements in this law - only the requirement to suspend accounts if ordered to by a civil court (after the warning process).

ENFORCEMENT AND CONSEQUENCES

Currently, to catch someone infringing on copyright, the copyright holder has to get a court order to obtain the identity of the alleged offender from the ISP, and then prosecute them.

This process usually costs more than any potential damages, which deters copyright holders, or those acting on their behalf to take any action at all, which is why this amendment was proposed - the current system is toothless and almost useless.

To those who think a tribunal would be ineffective or too slow - what other option is there? Surely the addition of an independent body is a step in the right direction.

Another point which was raised is that a whole household or shared connection could suffer from the actions of a single person.

Personally, I think the person who's responsible for the Internet account is also responsible for the actions of those who use it.

pirate bayLet's say a teen downloads movies in a household. One day a "detection notice" comes in the mail, to the registered address of the account holder, probably the parent.

If the account holder does nothing and downloading continues, a "warning notice" comes after three weeks. If they continue to do nothing for another three weeks, the Internet is suspended.

How much more warning do they need? Just stop the downloading! Surely that is the parents' fault for not enforcing the law with their children? Ultimately, someone has to be responsible.

The same goes with a shared connection like a workplace or school. If one employee downloads something and a detection notice comes to the system administrator, and they do nothing to enforce the law, then they can expect that the connection will be cut off.

The reasons they are proposing this consequence is because it will get results. Most people will stop downloading after the warnings. Dragging someone through court takes months and is a complete waste of money.

Whatever happens, I think there has to be some sort of consequence for illegal copying, otherwise what is the point of a law at all? We might as well just open the floodgates and give every piece of content away free.

ALTERNATIVE BUSINESS MODELS

Some of the comments pointed out that record and distribution companies are clinging to a fast-declining business model. Many express the opinion that content is overpriced for what you get, especially if you are downloading it.

This is something I completely agree with, and I hope it will change. Thirty dollars for a CD is steep, even steeper if it's a digital download, and especially harsh when you know that the artist is getting very little of that.

One commenter rightly pointed out that even if they didn't get paid a cent, artists would still create content. But without a distribution company, they might not have the same reach. Not everyone uses the Internet, remember.

Without the big companies, we might not get as many big-budget movies, but taking some of the money out of the entertainment industry could undoubtedly be a good thing - most of the movies today are so cheesy.

CD sales are dropping and online sales are soaring. What remains to be seen is whether an artist can make the same money going it alone as the artist with the backing of a global company.

Someone pointed out that Radiohead was able to make money on their album over the net by themselves by offering it free, with a koha donation.

It's important to note, though, that Radiohead already had a huge fan base and a good reputation, which made them a target for media interest and word-of-mouth advertising - a reputation built up from their years with the labels.

Artists, actors, producers, directors, gaffers, grips, musicians, programmers and singers all need to pay their bills. The creativity won't stop, but it will always cost someone.

Do you honestly believe that if every music, software and movie company switches to an online sales model it will be the end of torrent sites and peer-to-peer sharing? Well, I don't.

COPYING VS STEALING

This was a good point which I want to acknowledge - at the start of every DVD you hire, you get a screen which says "you wouldn't steal a car, so why would you steal a movie".

Stealing deprives the victim of their possession. So stealing movies is not really a correct definition - you are copying data, not taking it away permanently.

But still, if you copy a movie as opposed to going out and buying a copy of that movie, the effect is essentially that you are depriving the producers of that content of something physical - the money you would have paid to buy it.

In essence, copying a movie and watching it is consuming a product which you would otherwise have had to pay for, right?

IT COSTS TOO MUCH

Buying something online shouldn't cost the same as getting a CD or DVD. I agree with this fully, but that's the current state of things.

We might not like the price of something, but we are not forced to buy it.

Some of the movie sites I visited were selling downloads for absurdly low prices.

*Updated* A reference to movieberry.com has been removed because of concerns about the legality and/or ethics of this site. Best to look around for others - there are plenty - but always read the fine print.

But, I guess anything is more expensive than free.

AVAILABILITY

One of the biggest motivators for illegal downloads, it seems, is that the content is not available in New Zealand, at least not straight away.

pontiac torrentI don't think it is true to say that you can't find a place to pay for music or movies. That sounds like a copout to me. There are hundreds out there.

There also seems to be issues with people not being able to access material because it is only available to some regions.

It's unfortunate, but we are tucked away down here in New Zealand. We get things after everyone else, from movies to iPads.

People are impatient - broadband internet and the digital era have made us this way. We dislike having to wait for anything.

I still hold firm to my opinion that just because it isn't in New Zealand yet, if at all, you are not then entitled to copy it - that's a pretty thin excuse.

But I will agree that a lot of the most awesome documentaries and smaller-budget films never make it here, and it's a shame. One of the few downsides to living in New Zealand.

ENTITLEMENT

It seems to me that a small few see online content as a right. One commenter said they already pay for Internet access, so why should they pay to download content as well?

Unfortunately, content like movies and music is not a need or a right, it's a want.

Content is something which someone has worked to make and then expects to sell to cover their costs, and then some on top. That's what pays their bills.

RIGHTS AND WRONGS

In the argument for and against copyright infringement, there are a few distinct schools of thought. I think most people's standpoints can be boiled down to one of five models:

Absolute: Piracy is wrong because it deprives others of money for their work. It is against the law - end of story. If you do it, you are a criminal.

Virtuous: I don't copy content because it is morally wrong OR I do copy music because I believe content production and distribution companies are greedy and greed is wrong.

Necessity: I have tried my hardest not to, but the only way I can find this content is using illegal downloads. Companies should work harder to provide for me, and I wouldn't have to.

Utilitarian: I know downloading content is wrong, but I justify it by thinking it's not depriving anyone of anything physically and it's providing me with enjoyment. It doesn't hurt anyone except the greedy, rich companies.

Apathetic: I steal music and movies and I don't care if anyone doesn't like it. It's there, so I take it. No one will catch me.

It's also a good idea in discussions like this to recognise the biases held by each of the groups involved.

Of course, the music and recording industry will be all for this law, because it will allow them to prosecute those who repeatedly circumvent their business model (more on this soon).

Wouldn't you be upset if someone was taking away your profits? I would and I think you probably would too.

Authorities and governments face a difficult task, as they are basically charged with pleasing everyone and one group will inevitably think they are getting a raw deal.

The artist who lost most of their profit due to illegal downloads; the ISP that lost a good customer because it had to suspend their account; the record company employee who loses his job because his company goes under; the parent with an unruly teenager who refuses to stop downloading.

All I'm trying to say is that we need to try to see it from all sides before we make up our mind.

MY OPINION

We as a society have grown accustomed to being able to quickly access content, from music to movies to software, free of charge and we use a variety of views to justify this practice.

Most of the arguments against this law are essentially looking for excuses to download, from what I can see.

I would rather have a two-warning system in place than a lawsuit with no warning.

From this post, I hope you understand a little better where I am coming from. I'm not trying to convince you to do anything, or think any way, I am just stating my opinion.

I still think this law is a step in the right direction.

Let me know what you think.

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paul   #1   11:26 am Jul 26 2010

"the money you would have paid to buy it."

Again this is a false assumption. Get yourself a copy of PC Powerplay August 2010. In there they have an interesting article about IP piracy and how research has concluded that just because someone illegally copies an album of MP3's doesn't mean they would have bought the damn thing. So it's a complete fallacy to equate piracy rates with lost income. There is no connection. This is a false economy created by record companies to bleat about their loss of income *cough*bulls**t*cough*

Simon   #2   11:38 am Jul 26 2010

People use electricity to use the internet, so the power companies should have to disconnect infringing users, amiright??

Arhu   #3   11:44 am Jul 26 2010

"The artist who lost most of their profit due to illegal downloads"

Name 1. Go on, name 1 artist who lost out significantly due to downloading.

For everyone else, use this utility http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

It's a brilliant secondary firewall app that stops covert monitoring of your internet activity. Just make sure you keep an eye on the log file, I left mine for a long while & it got up to 25gb.

tv-downloads   #4   11:56 am Jul 26 2010

could you please comment on downloading of TV-series. Everyone seams to be focusing on music and movies but a group of us wonder on the legality of downloading TV episodes, we understand that if the episode has not been broadcast in New Zealand then you need to pay for it but if it has been on free to air, how is downloading different from borowing a vcr tape from a friend. And please dont point to on-demand, the catalogues are incomplete and the service patchy, and you can not save it to disk so its like paying money to Telecom or vodaphone for each family member that wants to watch it. The other point of questioning is around media preferences, with itunes i can rip my cd's legaly onto pc, why is it then illegal to take a copy of DVD's I have brought onto my PC to stp the kids from scratching them all to pieces?

River   #5   11:57 am Jul 26 2010

I'm an 18 year old, and I never download illegally (well, I don't download legally either). The reason is I much prefer to buy the actual product, with all the packaging etc. If I'm going to pay for a game/CD/movie I may as well get the packaging and everything.

I think these laws do need to come into place. There are plenty of online sites where you can buy CD's/movies/games for much cheaper than retail and free shipping to NZ (cdwow is a really good one I have just discovered, all legit).

DM   #6   11:59 am Jul 26 2010

Just download the torrent through an anonymous proxy..

Chris   #7   12:12 pm Jul 26 2010

One thing you forgot to mention on your points of copying vs stealing, Say I download a movie,Iv not taken the movie from the person, so I have not deprived them of the movie, just like you said,

But... I also wouldn't go and pay for the movie, because 99.9% of movies are crap and I just watch them in the background to pass time, I would say 1 in every 100 movies I watch would be a gem, I am not going to pay $18.00 at Reading Cinema for 99 crap movies to find one that is quality.

This is where I and many people I know stand, If software developers, movie directors, and musicians, stopped producing rubbish that would be a good start to solving piracy.

cm   #8   12:13 pm Jul 26 2010

The right to profit is not really the issue. As many have pointed out, illegal downloaders would not have bought the product if they'd had to pay for it. Thus no sale was lost.

What is more important is the right for a copyright holder to control their material. Free market forces prevail. If someone wants to sell a CD for $5000 so what? That's their choice and you don't have to buy it. You have no right to expect the product at a low price. Music and software are not essential for life and the consumer has no rights to get material. If you download this illegally then you've bypassed the creator's right to determine the future of the product.

asdf   #9   12:13 pm Jul 26 2010

I posted a comment on the previous post, and I too would like to refine my argument. Its a little long

1. I still believe from a business point of view that it is fundamentally unfair that an internet provider should lose money from having to protect the rights of an unrelated company. Again why should Telecom or Vodafone or any other internet company be deprieved of a paying customer at the behest of Sony-BMG, EMI, Time Warner or GE Universal?

2. I argue that the biggest problem in this area is the person who provides initial copy and allows others to download from him/her. Take for example a problemtaic tree is causing you grief. You can keep cutting of the branches (people who download), but the branches will keep growing back(new people downloading to take the place of those who have been suspended). Long term the best way to deal with your problem tree is to remove it all together (remove the poeple who provide the source copy). This bill will not solve the problem.

3. In this day and age the business model is fundamentally flawed. Firstly media providers overvalue their product. Take for example the cost of a CD from a physical Store around $30 is the norm. On trade me CD's go from anywhere between $1 to $20. I-tunes around $15-$20 for an album. Illegal download free. I have not brought a CD from a store in over 3 years, I buy mine from trade me and in fact have not paid more that $10 including shipping in that same period. I download the odd single from i-tunes. The point here is that their product is not worth $30, even if its brand new, and in fact their product is not even worth $10. It is something the media companies refuse to acknowledge.

They underestimate the power of "free". I refer to the link which i had in my last post. It provides a brilliant story of how people are affected by the word free in relation to buying chocolate. Even if the law goes ahead downloading will continue because free is so powerful.

We now live in a world where so much information is avaliable instantly. These companies have to get with the times and a least try to provide there product to everyone at the same time. The movie industry has acknowledged this with more global release dates. I think TV has the biggest challenge in this regard. They need to make there programming more readily avaliable outside of America. Maybe they could start a NZ based website that users pay an amount which reflects the value of their product where you can watch a programme the day after it airs in the US.

While I acknowledge that it is illegal to download and some form of regulation is required, this bill is not the correct way to do it. I think this proposed legislation is very reactionary, like many other bills circulating at the moment - see alcohol reform as another. You state that people use these excuses to justify the continued downloading. How many movies would you have watch to justify to paying $41 to watch them online. You neglect to acknowledge that people who download wont pay $7 to rent a movie at a vidoe store. You neglect to mention that the major media companies have failed to make the public aware of there options to download content legally.

They may not be good reasons to continue illegal downloading, but those media companies have not even tried to provide a good reason stop downloading illegally.

Alister   #10   12:17 pm Jul 26 2010

A question: If you have a WiFi in you home for your own use, and a neighbor uses it (without your knowledge) to download illegal content that results in you receiving detection/warning/enforcement notices, what it your position? Is it a defense that your neighbor (you assume) hijacked your connection? Or are you expected to maintain a secure WiFi connection?


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