Copenhagen 'high level agreement' possible: Key

Last updated 18:46 07/12/2009
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"I think you are seeing some political momentum building and that's positive," he said at his post-cabinet press conference.

"But ultimately you will not see a binding agreement concluded in December. That would require much better work in 2010."

The United Nations conference began today, with the leaders' meeting due on December 17 and 18.

Initially, Mr Key had not planned to attend because the conference was not expected to reach any firm conclusions on a binding international agreement.

Earlier today Mr Key, speaking on TVNZ's Breakfast programme, said while he had originally intended to skip the meeting he changed his mind after his recent trip to the Commonwealth Heads of Government (Chogm) meeting.

"When I went off to Trinidad and Tobago a number of leaders said to me 'look we think it's important that New Zealand's there, partly to show solidarity, but also to make sure we get a balanced approach there. I think you've got to be in the room'," he said.

Not attending could give the wrong impression, he said, "... and also it's important to make sure that if we do sign up to something, even though I don't think it will be binding in December, but it well may might be next year, I think it is important that I am there and I can at least put our case if we need to."

The possibility of some "face time" with the president has boosted Mr Key's claim that Copenhagen has become too important a networking opportunity to miss.

The United Nations conference this and next week faces the very difficult task of agreeing on the outlines of a new pact to replace the existing Kyoto Protocol to reduce emissions blamed for upsetting earth's climate system.

But the two-year process leading up to Copenhagen has yielded little progress, with divisions between rich nations and poor ones, and friction between advanced economies over burden-sharing.

LEADERS SIGN UP FOR SUMMIT

Originally the summit was for ministers rather than leaders, but Danish prime minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen has pushed for leaders of countries attending the summit to be there in person with many, including United States President Barack Obama, now attending.

As many as 100 world leaders are now expected to join tens of thousands of environmentalists, media and protesters in gathering for the summit, which is being touted in some quarters as the most important since World War II.

The White House announced during the weekend that President Obama was shifting the timing of his visit so he could attend the leaders' meeting on December 17 and 18.

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He had originally planned to attend earlier sessions of the talks, but was now hoping to capitalise on steps by India and China to put forward specific proposals for cutting carbon emissions and financing efforts by developing countries.

Mr Key will now attend the leaders' meeting with Mr Obama.

"The Danish Prime Minister, who is hosting the event, needed to get some momentum to get it back on the rails, so they organised the leaders' event," Mr Key said.

Mr Key said New Zealand has difficult issues regarding climate change including that per capita it was facing faster population growth than other developed countries, that it already was a big user of renewable energy so there was less room to expand on that and that half the country's emissions were from agriculture; "we have no answer to methane and nitrate emissions and in the same breath we are trying to feed the world".

He leaves for Denmark next Tuesday.

Other leaders attending include Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Politicians and officials from 192 countries will attend the conference.

Fourteen New Zealand officials will start negotiations this week, led by climate change ambassador Adrian Macey, of the Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry. They will be joined the following week by ministers Tim Groser and Nick Smith.

New Zealand says it will reduce emissions by between 10 and 20 per cent, but only if changes are made to carbon trading rules. For example, it wants changes to the "offset" rule, which penalises forest owners who cut down trees without replanting on the same land.

On Saturday, Oxfam organised a mass haka in Auckland to challenge world leaders to take action on climate change.

CLIMATE CHANGE ACCEPTED

Mr Key again confirmed that he accepted the science on climate change.

"I personally think human-induced climate change is happening," he said.

"I've also thought Kyoto was a bit of a hoax, and I've said that, and the Labour Party took that to be a proxy of climate change. I actually think Kyoto is not a well structured document."

Tackling The Environment

Lucy Lawless, actress: "There is no planet B. Let's go about the business of tackling climate change. Our Government needs to sign on to a 40 per cent reduction target by 2020."

Gerrit van der Lingen, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition: "I hope no agreement will be reached. After all, there is no scientific evidence human greenhouse gas emissions are causing dangerous global warming. Actually, the planet has been cooling for the last 10 years while CO2 levels kept on increasing. I call it the greatest scam in human history."

Joe Milne, 19, shoe salesman, Wadestown: "It's going to be a problem for my kids, and their kids. It's good that Key's going; you need the top figures there."

Angelica Vestin, 27, mother, Tawa: "Hopefully it will not just be talking, and it will lead to some real action. Climate change does have an effect on the Earth, and it's something that everyone can do something about."

- By PAUL EASTON, with NZPA

- © Fairfax NZ News

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pete   #90   11:52 am Dec 09 2009

Unless the US and China come to the table it will be just another white middle class feel good issue. What will these people do when this becomes mainstream and no longer trendy?

Glen   #89   11:51 am Dec 09 2009

@ John #85

Of course climate change is real, it has been happening for billions of years. Do you think the planet has always been like this??

However, climate change is not Man Made, never has been. The Earths climate is controlled by the Sun, period!

Clare Swinney   #88   06:09 pm Dec 08 2009

What the elitist are aiming to achieve with their Treaty is feudalism of the 21st century. They want 95% of the population being poorly fed, poorly educated, if at all, with a low life expectancy and being treated like cattle, with no hope of a better life, according to Daniel Estulin. Consequently, they are hell bent on destroying progress, and it has nothing to do with "global warming." NZ had its coldest October in 64 years. This represents a takeover by stealth, as the elite can't tell the public that they want to kill most of the population off to create a utopia for themselves - they have to lie and pretend that this Treaty is for the environment.

ej   #87   10:38 am Dec 08 2009

Stop the presses, everyone. The debate is settled. Lucy Lawless has spoken! FORTY PERCENT reduction? Lucky for Lucy, she'll no doubt be hanging out in L.A. and won't have to endure living in the impoverished banana-republic NZ will become if her wish ever comes true.

Oh, and John Key. I've lost all respect for you, mate. If you don't start to show some backbone and call this out for the massive fraud it is, you'll have lost my vote for good - along with many others, I suspect.

Waltraud   #86   05:50 am Dec 08 2009

Key didn't wanna go to Copenhain the first place..he called: 'an other photo opportunity"! the Stuff poll is too simplistic to vote on. and of course the whole stuff up of our enviroment is human induced..who else brought us into this mess? the cows and sheep in NZ make a lot of mess, but thats our fault too. and wouldn't you know it, humans tread animals badly, very badly althoug they are humans lifelyhood! and our Goverment is considering live transport again.

Paul#1...........maybe its time we get on our knees, but not to pray, never did anyt good, but get our hands dirty and clean up the mess we made!

John   #85   05:40 am Dec 08 2009

I find it incredible that people are still disputing this. Climate change is real; the scientific evidence is overwhelming, and supported by the scientific community generally. Get your heads out of the sand, non-believers; the problem won't go away just because you don't want to accept there is one.

Daniel   #84   08:41 pm Dec 07 2009

realistic #37 - I agree and Richard #42 I also agree. Realistic - Whether or not it is man made climate change something has to be done. You can do all the studies you want on the temparature of the earth etc. but it dosen't change the fact that th weather is starting to change and ice is starting to melt.

Richard - Yes the money spent on climate change conferences dosen't help directly and it is very frustrating BUT if you want to win any game/competition/goal (i.e. in this case do something about cliamate change) you have to (a) Play by the rules and win or (b) change the rules. The rules of the political world require that such conferences are necessary (unfortunately). The best thing we can do therfore is (a) make sure we influence our politicians into doing something real at these conferences; or (b) stand for election yourself and try and change NZ's appoach to climate change.

Dan   #83   08:27 pm Dec 07 2009

What about simply breathing? Breathing produces CO2. By my calculations, if all the climate change believers were to stop, that would make mankinds' emissions about right.

What about fat people? Fat people produce more CO2 than skinny people. Am I in carbon credit due to my low BMI? Does the next fat galoompha I see walking down the street have to pay me?

What about mowing the lawn? Is that a carbon positive activity, by stimulating faster grass growth and creating a veritable carbon sink out of my quarter acre, or is it carbon negative from the mower, my respiration, the increase in food production required to match my increased intake, and from the decomposing clippings? Should I not mow my lawn? But that would upset my landlord, I could face eviction. Or my neighbours could complain to the council about my untidy section. Can I then sue them for the mental anguish and trauma of forcing me to contribute to global warming? Or should someone be employed at no expense to me to mow the lawn? In which case, who pays? Or should I find myself a 'scientist' who will of course prove 'irrefutably' that I was correct in that mowing the lawn is carbon positive?

How far does it go? When and where does it all stop? The problem with all you believers is that your reality check appears to have bounced.

Brian M   #82   08:10 pm Dec 07 2009

My prediction is that there will be some progress at Copenhagen, but not enough. The climate will warm up. The population will still rise exponentially. The focus will then shift to firefighting the effects of global warming and a panic to build new resources as the oil, water, arable land, food, fish stocks and numerous other resources run out.

Lets hope the global leaders do their jobs and get the sustainability ball rolling before the inevitable resource crunch kicks off wars and global famines.

Climate change is only a symptom of the real problem which is our consumption at all costs attitude. Until it changes we (or our descendants) are toast no matter who is right on climate change.

R-man   #81   07:28 pm Dec 07 2009

Climate Change is the new religion, and if you dare follow one of the possible interpretations, then the others decree that you are a POLLUTING HERETIC and must BURN in the GREENHOUSE EFFECT!

There's no such thing as an objective viewpoint now, so I'm not even going to try. It's too much like questioning any religion - all you get is an earful from the priests about how they're right and you're wrong - because God says so.

Seriously people. Grow up. Only children throw tantrums when someone disagrees with them.


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